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Stalking her daughter’s killers across Mexico, one by one

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Post by danso »

throwaway_2047 wrote: post #199
yaniqt wrote: post #167

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Her cousins didn't help setup the kidnapping - that was the boy in the parallel story.

I find this style of storytelling dizzying. As a non-native english user, the interleaving of narrative confuses me. Is it a desired style of journaling?

The narrative in this story did get confusing. But there is a purpose to it: the story of Mrs. Rodríguez took place around 2014-2017, whereas Luciano Garza's was July of this year. It's rare that the news department (i.e. as opposed to the New York Times Magazine) will run a feature closely detailing a years-old event, not without an obvious hook to why the story is being told now. Likewise, Luciano's kidnapping and murder, sadly, wouldn't merit such an indepth feature without an obvious tie to broader events.

Writing about both murders in this article made sense, IMHO, even if the transitions between narratives weren't always completely clear. Part of the reporter's angle was that Mrs. Rodríguez's highly publicized fight impacted how people reacted to Luciano's kidnapping, for better or worse.

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Post by chaostheory »

throwaway__44 wrote: post #194
watermelon59 wrote: post #138

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Some areas of Brazil suffer from a lot of that too. Day-to-day violent crime was the #1 reason that I wanted to leave the country.

Left the US(A) in early 2019 for this exact reason (SFBay) after 18 years. Now back in my native Iceland comfortably retiring. And kids no longer need to practice for active shooter situations at school. And I don't worry that a trigger happy cop gets too excited at traffic stop either.

Are there any countries that enjoy a low crime rate that do NOT have a largely homogeneous populations like Iceland and Japan? Not a rhetorical question, I'm genuinely curious.

EDIT Are there any low crime countries with a diverse population that don't employ big brother style surveillance like Singapore?

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Post by deepsun »

icelancer wrote: post #94
deepsun wrote: post #50

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Well, a bit of advice from eastern european dictatures -- the more people try to refrain from politics, the worse politics screws up their lives. So I ended up respecting politised people, regardless of their views. For a functioning democracy, everyone must do politics, even if it's unpleasant.

>> For a functioning democracy, everyone must do politics, even if it's unpleasant. I've been voting and voicing my displeasure regularly for the last year at my governor and elected officials, down the to the local ones, and nothing has changed. Actually that's not true, the majority of the decisions made have changed quite a bit and have further ruined my small business and my children's education. Can't imagine ho…

Try to motivate people you know to pressure the officials. By the way, not sure about US, but I've seen that often you actually need very little votes to register a motion/discussion/voting/etc for expelling an official from their office. Whether that motion is satisfied or not -- official should be stressed about it immediately.

What matters the most is how many people you can motivate to do something, and that is democracy.

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Post by aeortiz »

nicolas_t wrote: post #164

You would think that any organized gang would make sure to return kidnapped people safely so as to increase the likelyhood of getting the ransom... I wonder if the reason it doesn't happen is because the gangs doing the kidnapping are too fragmented and not centrally controlled?

They're not particularly bright...except the ones higher up the hierarchy.

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Post by [deleted] »

chaostheory wrote: post #212
throwaway__44 wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Left the US(A) in early 2019 for this exact reason (SFBay) after 18 years. Now back in my native Iceland comfortably retiring. And kids no longer need to practice for active shooter situations at school. And I don't worry that a trigger happy cop gets too excited at traffic stop either.

Are there any countries that enjoy a low crime rate that do NOT have a largely homogeneous populations like Iceland and Japan? Not a rhetorical question, I'm genuinely curious. EDIT Are there any low crime countries with a diverse population that don't employ big brother style surveillance like Singapore?

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Post by thatguy0900 »

chaostheory wrote: post #212
throwaway__44 wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Left the US(A) in early 2019 for this exact reason (SFBay) after 18 years. Now back in my native Iceland comfortably retiring. And kids no longer need to practice for active shooter situations at school. And I don't worry that a trigger happy cop gets too excited at traffic stop either.

Are there any countries that enjoy a low crime rate that do NOT have a largely homogeneous populations like Iceland and Japan? Not a rhetorical question, I'm genuinely curious. EDIT Are there any low crime countries with a diverse population that don't employ big brother style surveillance like Singapore?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Honduras at the very least you need more than that, Honduras itself is 87% mestizo

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Post by djohnston »

lmm wrote: post #105
emmelaich wrote: post #79

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Sorta related, this is a good film: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicario_(2015_film) Also, one of the subplots in the excellent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babel_(film) is in Mexico. Babel is by Mexican directors and writers. See the previous two in the triptych too.

Really? I consider it one of the three worst films I've seen: just a celebration of excessive violence and gratuitous avoidance of due process/checks and balances, made to seem defensible only because of unrealistic movie-protagonist ultracompetence. It's a worse case of Tom Clancy syndrome than the man himself ever did.

It definitely has some 'Murica in it, but to put it amongst the worst films you've seen completely ignores the cinematography and score which were both nominated.

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Post by mensetmanusman »

leephillips wrote: post #189
sam_goody wrote: post #171

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To quote a speech I heard in college: "It frustrates me to no end that, as a species, the religious are more fit. Their communities are more structured, and have less crime and violence. Their families larger, more nuclear and more supportive of each other. Their members are more relaxed, and have more purpose to their lives. Evolution would state that, eventually, only the religious will survive. If there is a God,…

Religious communities may not be more fit. It depends on what measure you look at: http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.pdf

Fit from an evolutionary standpoint, i.e. (especially now) only the religious are having replacement levels of children.

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Post by dedles »

chaostheory wrote: post #212
throwaway__44 wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Left the US(A) in early 2019 for this exact reason (SFBay) after 18 years. Now back in my native Iceland comfortably retiring. And kids no longer need to practice for active shooter situations at school. And I don't worry that a trigger happy cop gets too excited at traffic stop either.

Are there any countries that enjoy a low crime rate that do NOT have a largely homogeneous populations like Iceland and Japan? Not a rhetorical question, I'm genuinely curious. EDIT Are there any low crime countries with a diverse population that don't employ big brother style surveillance like Singapore?

Canada?
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