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Silicon Valley exodus: Bay Area tech companies leaving for Texas

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Re: Silicon Valley exodus: Bay Area tech companies leaving for Texas

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Anyone that has money and lack of political power. Middle class is a vague term, but currently, a flat % income tax takes evenly from rich and poor, so it benefits the rich. What will happen now is that IL will increase then 5% income tax to 6% or whatever they have to go meet their needs, and so it will continue to benefit the rich. Until it gets to a point where the lower income people realize they can make the ric…

Only the extremely wealthy would leave. An average person does not move their state of residence just to save $1,000 on state taxes. That could be disruptive: leaving family and friends, your job, etc. All to save a grand.

It’s more like $10k to $20k (and ever increasing) per year for dual income professional households compared to a no income tax state like Washington. Over a career of 20 to 30 years, that adds up to a substantial amount of savings.

Basically, the families earning $100k+ would be saving 5%+ of state income tax and at least $5k+ in extra property taxes compared to a non debt burdened state and tolls and all the various other taxes that need to be collected to pay for the compounded debt of pensions and whatnot.

Re: Silicon Valley exodus: Bay Area tech companies leaving for Texas

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That is correct. Source: just bought my first home in CA. Taxes were surprisingly reasonable

Not correct: your taxes will go up annually by 2% or CPI, whichever is lower. Granted, this means they will grow substantially slower than historical property appreciation, but it’s not 0. Also your property taxes start out at 1% of assessed value, which is very low compared with many other high-wealth states.

The above is factually correct.

Re: Silicon Valley exodus: Bay Area tech companies leaving for Texas

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What do low property taxes have to do with high rent and lack of housing? Higher property taxes would result in higher rent and property prices...

If my understanding is right, if you purchase a house and you (or your kids) have been living in it continuously you pay taxes on the original purchase price, rather than current value. These tax savings pass to homeowner families who stay in one location for multiple decades, especially as land values rise. Homeowners are very opposed to being displaced, since moving means their taxes would reset to a higher level.…

Your understanding is not correct.

When you buy the house your tax rate is 1% (+ local fees) of your purchase price. Every year thereafter, it goes up by at least 2%.

The assessed value will go up by 2% (that's prop13) so the base tax will go up by 2%. However, local city and county can add their own fees on top of that (so they do), therefore in many years the actual dollar amount increase will be more than 2%.

(Source: my property tax bill over the last 23 years.)

Re: Silicon Valley exodus: Bay Area tech companies leaving for Texas

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>I am using the English language in a very straightforward manner. english is not my first language. economic literacy wrt this topic seems irrelevant. >After Prop 13 passed, a big chunk of the state revenue was tied up in propping up local governments. wrong. property taxes are diverted to the state's public education program through a complicated set of formulas called LCFF.[1] it collects all the property taxes. d…

> economic literacy wrt this topic seems irrelevant. It is supremely relevant. You are advocating a regressive policy that hampers growth, and it's easy to figure this out with economic thinking. > wrong. property taxes are diverted to the state's public education program through a complicated set of formulas called LCFF.[1] That doesn't say I'm wrong. It just shows the formula by which the state props up each local…

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Do you know any neighbors or relatives or friends who you think are benefiting from prop 13? I do. I see them everyday. Many of them pay a fraction of what I pay and I know new home owners will pay more than me.

Those before me also make a lot less and non inflation adjusted income than I do and the kid next door whines about making ‘only 500k’ as joint income and lives paycheck to paycheck. Because two kids.

The problem is not prop 13. The solution doesn’t lie with prop 13 either. Both of them are with California budget and its allocations. The solution lies in LOWER taxes, not higher. The solution lies in local governance and not regional governance. The solution lies in weaning off the teat of Sacramento that itself is attached to the bosom of the likes of highly taxed Bay Area enclaves and figuring out economic opportunities for every part of California. The solution lies in keeping home prices stable and not allow it to fluctuate. The solution lies in NOT concentrating jobs and earning potentials in small high density enclaves. The only advantage of high density high income cities is that they can be taxed heavily.

Because asset valuation is a function of the GDP and economic health/vigor AT THE TIME of sale. For most people, it’s mortgage debt that demands interest. Which itself fluctuates with the health of the country.

And it happens at Wall Street. You know what else happens at Wall Street? The money that comes back as pensions and 401k. The unions and pension funds and insurance companies invest in Wall Street. The whole thing is a like a pit of vipers all entwined and tangled. If you stick your hand into the viper pit, it’s not the vipers that will be bitten.

We should look to stabilize the property market and stop treating housing as a speculative asset. Instead people are lathered up into a frenzy to attack those who they imagine have an unfair advantage over them.

I know homes that have been bought sight unseen by foreign home buyers who rent it out and flip it to buy multiple properties in 4-5 years. In my neighborhood. Tax them! Maybe we should ban foreign investors and speculative investors who treat our housing stock as a gambling chip. That would be a better strategy to deal with California’s housing woes.

But wait! Try. Just try suggesting it at your city council meeting. Try to move it up to your county seat. Try to make it a bill or a proposition. The blinds will come off our collective vision about the nanny state of CA when we actually hold our politician and elected leaders accountable.

But take heart. You will fail. Because they don’t work for you. You work for them.

A proposal: instead of twin cities all over the world, we should be twinning cities within California to avail more economically developed cities to assist less advantaged regions in California. Having a mentor-mentee relationship and sharing resources between two counties is more viable and sustainable. Results will be quicker and more transparent. We can become one truly golden state because we helped each other.

We should all strive to be Robin Hood. Robin Hood and his band of Merry Men did not..as most believe..’steal from the rich and gave it to the poor’. He took from the tax collector and gave it back to the people. We need Robinhood. Not Karl Marx.

Re: Silicon Valley exodus: Bay Area tech companies leaving for Texas

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That is correct. Source: just bought my first home in CA. Taxes were surprisingly reasonable

Not correct: your taxes will go up annually by 2% or CPI, whichever is lower. Granted, this means they will grow substantially slower than historical property appreciation, but it’s not 0. Also your property taxes start out at 1% of assessed value, which is very low compared with many other high-wealth states.

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Re: Silicon Valley exodus: Bay Area tech companies leaving for Texas

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There aren’t many $1.5M houses in Austin. In Round Rock (home of Dell), the highest price you’ll find is around $800k for a 5600 square ft house with premium upgrades.

According to zillow there are 300 homes over $1.5M for sale right now in Austin. Surely many more not currently listed for sale. Sorry for the long link.. https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sale/?searchQueryState=%7B%...

Most of those are well over $2M. 1.5M is a tough price point here, because the ones by the water (most of the ones in your link) are really expensive while just a few blocks away the price drops quickly.

Re: Silicon Valley exodus: Bay Area tech companies leaving for Texas

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Illinois is pretty rough financially, I agree. But it's home to one of the three cities you can realistically live in and call a city in the US. As in no car ownership required, walkable neighborhoods that you never need to leave very often as all your needs are met, etc. This is exceedingly rare in the US, almost non-existent. So for now, I'll stick with Chicago. Should I move, I completely agree the IL suburbs are…

I'm assuming the other two are New York and Boston?

A bit of hyperbole in that comment, but yes that was my thought while writing it. I suppose you could make the case for a few more eastern seaboard cities as well.

Re: Silicon Valley exodus: Bay Area tech companies leaving for Texas

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I totally agree and I think property taxes are way more fair and equitable for a society than income taxes. Usually we tax behaviors we want to curb. Income taxes disincentivize people from earning more, whereas property taxes are a consumption tax. In my mind this makes way more sense, and there's good data to suggest property taxes are the best/most efficient way to gain needed revenue for a city but do the least "…

"I totally agree and I think property taxes are way more fair and equitable for a society than income taxes." Until you retire and no longer can pay the tax and are kicked out of your home. Logically, it makes more sense to tax people who are actually making money (income and capital gains) since that means they actually have money. Taxing people on a fundamental need (shelter) could potentially increase homelessness…

texas has waivers if you are over 65 and then there is the homestead exemption etc.

the high property tax is only for the income earners who pay no income tax.

Re: Silicon Valley exodus: Bay Area tech companies leaving for Texas

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Universities help I think. Stanford, Berkeley &c. Many great public universities and many great universities!

The east coast has entire Ivy League and yet no Silicon Valley. Also, how do you explain Seattle?

Don't forget non-competes which CA outlaws. Job mobility is key to innovation without worrying about getting sued by your former employer.
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