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Silicon Valley exodus: Bay Area tech companies leaving for Texas

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Re: Silicon Valley exodus: Bay Area tech companies leaving for Texas

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This general topic seems to come back into focus on a regular basis on HN (last time, 1 week ago). People have been leaving SV in numbers for the 30 years I've been here, always citing traffic & cost of housing as the primary reasons. Though this time, you could add decriminalization of petty crime. Nonetheless, the population growth remains net positive. The fundamental design of the Internet was to be robust agains…

Since cities thrive based on network effects, my question is: did everyone in past exoduses move to the same location? If not, is that not a good reason to believe this time will be different?

Smart, ambitious people tend to congregate, and capital follows. If during past exoduses, people moved to random places, I can see why SV remained the primary magnet. But, this time everyone seems to be moving to Seattle and Austin (based on my anecdotal experience of ~20 SV startups that have moved to Austin in the past 6 months).

Other things that make this time different: remote work being generally acceptable & higher state income tax

Of course, "every time is different", but eventually SV will fall. The question is just when and what the right conditions are.

Re: Silicon Valley exodus: Bay Area tech companies leaving for Texas

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What particular policies did people vote for that contributed to their reasons for fleeing?

Lots of nimby policies (Prop 13, blocking new construction) significantly raises housing costs for everyone, I suspect this isn't a small part of why many people leave.

Are the people who are leaving the same people who vote for these policies? I suspect tech people who might move to texas are strongly YIMBY, not NIMBY.

Re: Silicon Valley exodus: Bay Area tech companies leaving for Texas

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I wonder if the people fleeing California will end up voting for the same bad policies that are the reason they had to leave in the first place. That is, do they connect the bad policies to the bad outcomes, or will they still favor the bad policies? There is one major area for tech people where Texas may prove a nasty surprise to employees: non-compete agreements. For large employers this may be a bonus though as th…

They will probably favor them in the beginning but I think a lot of that comes from the SF bay area echo chamber. Getting exposure to different cultures will probably average things out more politically leading to greater acceptance and diversity of thought.

Many of those people and companies are coming to Austin. Austin is already awash with leftist values and California transplants. The people moving here can probably stay in an echo chamber here as well.

Re: Silicon Valley exodus: Bay Area tech companies leaving for Texas

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High taxes, regulations for everything, the government running every part of your personal life, cancer labels on everything... seems like a dream come true. What went wrong?

> the government running every part of your personal life

Hyperbole much? The rest of your comment can be dismissed based on this alone.

Re: Silicon Valley exodus: Bay Area tech companies leaving for Texas

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I wonder if the people fleeing California will end up voting for the same bad policies that are the reason they had to leave in the first place. That is, do they connect the bad policies to the bad outcomes, or will they still favor the bad policies? There is one major area for tech people where Texas may prove a nasty surprise to employees: non-compete agreements. For large employers this may be a bonus though as th…

What particular policies did people vote for that contributed to their reasons for fleeing?

I'm not quite sure. I didn't enjoy the wild fires this year, that becoming normal would push me out of the bay area. The only other major complaint I have is the high cost of living. Sure, there are a lot of policy issues there. But that's purely financial, and financially staying in the bay area makes the most sense for me.

Re: Silicon Valley exodus: Bay Area tech companies leaving for Texas

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"Fleeing California" articles are evergreen on HN. I can never tell if there's anything new, or if it's just people voting up the usual nothingburger, presumably to express displeasure with California culture or governmental policies.

Feels like someone is pulling the strings here. Same thing happened a year or so ago with numerous articles about how robots and self-driving trucks were going to take all the blue collar jobs.

Ironically, a ton of SV companies have been working on ways to keep drivers employed (and possibly even better paid, plus a safer job closer to home).

Regularly overlooked when SV is being demonized for automating jobs though, naturally.

Re: Silicon Valley exodus: Bay Area tech companies leaving for Texas

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What particular policies did people vote for that contributed to their reasons for fleeing?

The LA mayor is telling people to not walk outside because of covid. If thats not absurd big liberal govt policy idk what is. Who would want to live somewhere where the govt thinks they can do that. Your rights as a person dont vanish in a crisis. https://fortune.com/2020/12/03/los-angeles-new-lockdown-rule... dannyincolor - He issued an order. Its not an ask. This isnt a where you live thing, this is a govt overstep…

The Attorney General of Texas filed a lawsuit claiming the results of election in four other states were invalid. If that isn't rejection of the constitution and democracy I don't know what is.

Re: Silicon Valley exodus: Bay Area tech companies leaving for Texas

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Alternatively, the influx of tech money greatly increases the cost of property in Texas. In turn, senior residents start to no longer be able to afford to keep up their property taxes. Eventually a proposition appears on the ballot to limit the growth of property taxes...

There's a lot of land in Texas, and they're not opposed to building high rises.

Citation needed? In my experience, SFHowners who live in a primarily residential neighborhood generally don't want condos if they live in Texas or Maine or California.

Re: Silicon Valley exodus: Bay Area tech companies leaving for Texas

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I wonder if the people fleeing California will end up voting for the same bad policies that are the reason they had to leave in the first place. That is, do they connect the bad policies to the bad outcomes, or will they still favor the bad policies? There is one major area for tech people where Texas may prove a nasty surprise to employees: non-compete agreements. For large employers this may be a bonus though as th…

Is there any evidence that the people moving are responsible for the bad policies? Something tells me the NIMBYs that bought their homes decades ago and pay $3.50 in annual property taxes aren't going anywhere.

What do low property taxes have to do with high rent and lack of housing? Higher property taxes would result in higher rent and property prices...
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