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As a non-us citizen I don't regard the US as a free country anymore. Mind you, Bill Clinton was impeached due to the Lewinsky scandal not much for the scandal itself but because he lied about having an affair with Monica Lewinsky, and it was considered inacceptable for the president of the US to be lying. Now you've got Orange Donald lying all the time and nobody's complaining that much, and journalists are getting a…
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There is a difference between defining a category of people and gatekeeping a category of people.
What's the difference?
I would say the focus is on opposite sides of the spectrum. When you are defining a group, the primary focus is on who should be included. The focus of gatekeeping is on the people who should be excluded. This is usually done in order to raise the status of those who are included or those who are setting the rules for inclusion. Those rules are often arbitrary or draconian and are usually set by some central authority (or someone who feels they have such authority). This authority will then be the one who doles out permission for others to participate.
That is where the software developer example comes in. Anyone can join the open source software development community and they will only be judged on the merit of their contribution. They might have never contributed to any OSS. They might have never been paid to develop software. They might have no formal education in software development. None of that would matter if we are defining people based on the merit of their work. However they would likely be excluded in a system that relies on gatekeeping.
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I don't see a pro-authoritarian bent in the comments in this thread. What I see a lot of is people pointing out that the definition of "journalist" is very very loose in 2020, and that has an effect on the arrest stats. Many many many people have watched with their own eyes, live on video, what's been going on through the course of this year. We've seen CNN and ABC reporters shot with rubber bullets and accosted on l…
> I don't see a pro-authoritarian bent in the comments in this thread. What I see a lot of is people pointing out that the definition of "journalist" is very very loose in 2020, and that has an effect on the arrest stats. This itself is an authoritarian tendency that is increasingly alarming me lately (a feeling that started after 9/11.) I think we're going to see "journalist" becoming a licensed profession within th…
Only approved organizations could publish on the election after a certain date.
We are soaking the propaganda and we don’t know it.
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https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1327774883002998784?s=2... https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1298145371009380352?s=2... https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1296075594896039937?s=2... https://www.foxnews.com/us/portland-protest-press-throwing-o... https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1296610943514812418?s=2... https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1300690653714591744?s=2... https://www.portlandoregon.gov/polic…
Police have people hurling the most vial insults imaginable, for hours. As well as having to endure physical assaults. This is going to cause some serious psychological damage down the road. No one takes that kind of abuse and comes away unchanged. The fact that at no point did police simply open fire in mass. Well that is truly impressive.
You think that it's "impressive" (?!) that the police, while working, did _not_ commit mass murder in response to being called names?
What hideous third-world country do you live in? And while many people see the police as degenerates, your description and expectations of them are about as low as a human being could go.
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If you take a picture of something happening on your street and write a blog post about it, you are not a journalist. If you wouldn't be granted press credentials for something, you're probably not a journalist. If it's a side gig you don't intend to make a living doing, you're very likely not a journalist. There are plenty of instances where someone can fit into the article's definition of "journalist" where they pr…
> If you take a picture of something happening on your street and write a blog post about it, you are not a journalist. Yes, you are, and should be protected. > If you wouldn't be granted press credentials for something, you're probably not a journalist. This is a horrific definition. Being a journalist can't be defined by the willingness of the subjects to be covered. That's stenography. > If it's a side gig you don…
> Yes, you are, and should be protected.
Protected from what? Being arrested for recording a public event, surely. Being arrested for throwing a Molotov cocktail, surely not.
So the crucial distinction is what are these journalists being arrested for, and also do we have a surge of people who are trying to cover their own knowing illegal behavior by wearing a PRESS badge.
As a non-us citizen I don't regard the US as a free country anymore. Mind you, Bill Clinton was impeached due to the Lewinsky scandal not much for the scandal itself but because he lied about having an affair with Monica Lewinsky, and it was considered inacceptable for the president of the US to be lying. Now you've got Orange Donald lying all the time and nobody's complaining that much, and journalists are getting a…
As a non-us citizen I don't regard the US as a free country anymore. Mind you, Bill Clinton was impeached due to the Lewinsky scandal not much for the scandal itself but because he lied about having an affair with Monica Lewinsky, and it was considered inacceptable for the president of the US to be lying. Now you've got Orange Donald lying all the time and nobody's complaining that much, and journalists are getting a…
IMO when the forming of militias became "extreme" (even though it's in the constitution) is when the writing was on the wall. You can't maintain freedom from the govt without keeping it in check. The public grew an aversion to militia's and we've been boiling the frog with more laws since.
“Militias” are not in the Constitution.
The militia, collective and unitary, and belonging to the nation as a whole (with regard to which there are both federal and state powers and responsibilities specified), is in the main body of the Constitution, and reference to a, singular, militia as being necessary to (implicitly, each) State is made in the Second Amendment. There is nothing at all in the Constitution about the formation of, or anything else concerning, private militias.
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HN is pretty conservative on average.
I'm shocked, but I get a sense there are more conservatives here than ever before. Or maybe they were always here but now find themselves less prone to self-censorship. I've been reading HN since the late 2000s and only noticed this post-election. It always seemed as if HN was incredibly liberal. Now there are conservative-leaning voices and opinions cropping up everywhere that are being upvoted as top comments. I'm…
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Being in favour of, or okay with, journalists being arrested for doing journalism is _intensely_ authoritarian, whether you agree with them or not. Especially if you disagree with them, really.
I believe your phrase "for doing journalism" is what the debate is truly about here. We would have to have information about the full context of each of the journalist's and police's actions to make a justifiable judgement. As others have mentioned, the majority of arrests may have occurred as a result of strong misunderstandings of "freedom of the press"
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Any credible sources? Andy Ngo is a propagandist for atomwaffen and heavily edits what he releases to strip it of context and present a narrative that is often directly contrary to the truth.
How do you define credible? Someone that releases information that you agree with? His videos are often releases of what Antifa publishes and rarely of his own recording (mostly because he has been violently attacked in the past by them). Stop excluding sources because you don't like the information...take in as much data as possible and make your own conclusion. When protestors are going into residential neighborhoo…
Oh of course, how could I forget the milkshake that gave him brain damage? He's a liar and a partisan even moreso than the citizen-journalists being criticized in the thread.