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Re: Gmail having issues

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As quite a few googlers appear to read and write on HN, I'd really welcome an insider info on what's going on the last few days. Sure there will be some internal turmoil going on right now, but isn't there some non-confidential info to share? Can't imagine this will hurt the image of google neither in the short nor long run, quite the opposite.

In lieu of an actual Googler, how about some educated speculation? It blows my mind that Google can even have problems like this. Aren't their apps highly distributed across tons of CDNs? Don't they have world class Devops people that roll out changes in a piecemeal fashion to check for bugs? How exactly can they have an issue that can affect a huge swath of their customers across countries? Insight appreciated.

Googler but nowhere near Gmail, so just educated speculation:

* We have a lot of automation/tools to prevent incidents when mitigation is straightforward (e.g. roll back a bad flag, quarantine unusual traffic patterns), which means that when something does go wrong it's often a new failure mode that needs custom, specialized mitigation. (e.g. what if you're in a situation where rolling back could make the problem worse? we might be Google, but we don't have magic wands)

* Debugging new failure modes is a coin flip: maybe your existing tools are sufficient to understand what's happening, but if they're not, getting that visibility can in itself be difficult. And just like everyone else, this can become a trial and error process: we find a plausible root cause, design and execute a mitigation based on that understanding, and then get more information that makes very clear that our hypothesis was incomplete (in the worst case, blatantly wrong).

Re: Gmail having issues

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I would advice anyone to not share any information that his company hasn't agreed explicitely to share.

s/his/her/

There used to be times when people didn't care for technicalities like this because the focus was on the person's contribution to the discussion.

Now that everyone's replaceable, the popular culture desperately tries to shift focus into arguing about pronouns and terms.

Watch out, this is a road to nowhere. Forcing others to use the right pronoun won't build up your retirement fund, but will distract you from worrying about not having one. And the fact that you care about it more than about your opponent's T-shirt color could be an indication that you are being manipulated to not think about the long-term things.

Re: Gmail having issues

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What is a status page that has the time without timezone

There is a note regarding time zones at the bottom of the page: "All times are shown in your local timezone unless otherwise noted."

Which timezone is my local timezone? A bunch of geolocation systems think I'm in Paris. I'm in Melbourne. (My ISP bought an IP block that used to be registered to a French company).

That's a considerable difference.

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Touch on smaller screens became the primary interface. Fingers fat, buttons big.

Yeah, I get that. But why punish the Desktop users with mobile interface? We used to punish Mobile users with Desktop interface back then, we just reversed the problem, didn't actually solve it. They should be 2 separate things. 2 separate css files with @media select. 2 separate button sizes and styles. I know what happened - designers got lazy.

No, designers did not get lazy. Devices got weirder.

It used to be that you could check the width and height of the viewport and say something like “320px wide? Must be a touch interface, deploy the big buttons”. Then tablets got big and it was like “1024px? Could be a laptop, but it’s probably an iPad, which has a touch interface, deploy the big buttons”. Then laptops got touch screens, then the Surface Studio came in and was like “HAHAHAHA”.

Now the game is “1920x1080? Could be a big tablet with touch, or a 1080p monitor without touch, or a non-maximized window on a Surface Studio with touch, or maybe it’s a monitor without touch hooked up to a laptop with a touchscreen and our window could get moved between them at any time...”

Nowadays, there’s no single reliable way to tell if a page is going to have to support touch until it gets a touch event, by which point you’ve already rendered the UI and it’s too late.

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They may be using the paid, enterprise G Suite/Google Workspace Gmail: https://workspace.google.com/products/gmail/ .

Can they call someone when there is an issue with gmail? Is there a contract that give them some leverage and guaranties? What is the process in the case of a missing business-critical email being lost and needing recovery? For business critical operation, leave such answers unanswered can be pretty risky.

Google doesn't do support.

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Over the past 24 hours, I've had GitHub request that I re-verify my gmail three times (roughly 22 hours ago, 2 hours ago, and now), each time resetting my primary email's status to "Undeliverable" and "Unverified" The triggering event may be an email bounce. I get a lot of github notifications sent to my email, and the failure of just one/a few may trigger the reverification.

This is another good reason to have email @yourowndomain.tld When this happens, you can spin up a temporary server and have a mechanism in place to redirect email so you don't go down when your provider does.

Keep in mind other stuff like DNS will go down randomly. At least they won't result in a permanent address-doesn't-exist error, but you'll be putting out potentially more fires that way.

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In lieu of an actual Googler, how about some educated speculation? It blows my mind that Google can even have problems like this. Aren't their apps highly distributed across tons of CDNs? Don't they have world class Devops people that roll out changes in a piecemeal fashion to check for bugs? How exactly can they have an issue that can affect a huge swath of their customers across countries? Insight appreciated.

Because, maybe, like in every big company, the thing actually doing the work is some old oracle database with some huge monolithic around it...

Hush, you'll scare the shiny eyed faang wannabies away, they aren't supposed to know this until employed for at least two decades.

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s/his/her/

'Their' works fine and has been gender-neutral English for ages.

His and her no longer correlates to biological sex, so what does it matter anymore. Pronouns can mean whatever you want them to mean.

Re: Gmail having issues

#100
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As quite a few googlers appear to read and write on HN, I'd really welcome an insider info on what's going on the last few days. Sure there will be some internal turmoil going on right now, but isn't there some non-confidential info to share? Can't imagine this will hurt the image of google neither in the short nor long run, quite the opposite.

Since so little time has passed since the last issue, I am wondering if it could be the same cause. Maybe they didn’t fix it properly the first time.

Or simply trying to roll something out again, same that failed before.
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