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Record Breaking Number of Journalists Arrested in the U.S. This Year

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Post by nickff »

tines wrote: post #95
nickff wrote: post #73

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It's a completely circular definition (as far as I can see).

How’s that? Seems like it’s just saying “we’re not going to treat you like a journalist if you don’t claim to be one, and you can’t claim to be one without having done any work before.”

>"this site will only cover individuals who self-identify as journalists and have some track record of journalistic work"

They're saying that they use journalistic work as a standard of who's a journalist... that's circular.

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Post by nickff »

phalangion wrote: post #91
nickff wrote: post #73

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It's a completely circular definition (as far as I can see).

I think it's more of a "if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck." If you call yourself a journalist and have a record of reporting on things, then by this definition you are one. But you can't decide you are a persecuted journalist because you got arrested.

Sure, but at some point you have to define how a duck walks and how it quacks!

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Post by hilbertseries »

Loughla wrote: post #94
i_haz_rabies wrote: post #75

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We will look back on the ruination of journalism as a profession as one of the most consequential changes of these last two decades.

I mean, it's a double-edged sword. On one side, the death of traditional journalism really has opened up folks' eyes to bias in reporting. Having one or two main-stream news sources really opens up the possibility for bias becoming truth. On the other side, now that everyone is a reporter, people roll around inside whichever cocoon of bias makes them feel the best. It's very frustrating, and overwhelming.

> On one side, the death of traditional journalism really has opened up folks' eyes to bias in reporting. Having one or two main-stream news sources really opens up the possibility for bias becoming truth.

This is not what I see happening. Instead what happens is people see news they disagree with and deem it biased. So they find a news outlet that they agree with and decide that’s the real news.

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Post by chrisseaton »

8note wrote: post #92
chrisseaton wrote: post #42

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Why are the Police giving anyone orders unless they're committing a crime?

Police don't need to know of you're committing a crime, only think that you might be. It's up to the courts whether you did If a cop thinks it's illegal to have your shoes untied, or to be jogging, they can arrest you

That's a circular argument.

Why are the police giving orders to people at all? If they think they're committing a crime, arrest them. Otherwise, leave them alone.

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Post by AlotOfReading »

dukeofdoom wrote: post #81

Its clearly a product of the riots this year. If you watch any of the live streams on youtube from the protests, its the most retarded thing ever. Literal convicts, just let out of jail, at the forefront of a civil rights movement, screaming how Black Lives matter, and how they are privileged white males. Tell me some of them were not being paid to be there. Because generally convicts are the least empathetic people.…

Does it matter that some protestors were former convicts or that there were many citizen journalists involved? Journalists aren't always neat and professional with full crews carrying expensive equipment. There's always been a large contingent of unaffiliated people with cameras hoping to sell footage to media orgs, ever since photojournalists became a thing.

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Post by skrtskrt »

tines wrote: post #95
nickff wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a completely circular definition (as far as I can see).

How’s that? Seems like it’s just saying “we’re not going to treat you like a journalist if you don’t claim to be one, and you can’t claim to be one without having done any work before.”

They arrest everyone then later can say oh oopsie journalist we let him go.

It's still an obvious authoritatian intimidation tactic and information suppression tactic to be throwing these people in jail and letting them wait sometimes days for the situation to get sorted out.

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Post by calvinmorrison »

anonfornoreason wrote: post #57
staplers wrote: post #47

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I watched a lot of live streams from local Portland journalists and they were arrested (wearing PRESS helmets) for no reason other than being near the protests. After a while it became clear it was to deter them from returning to the protests the next day. The Portland DA dropped all charges except felony rioting (lighting fires) for most protesters.

I live in Portland and watched many of these press people via Twitter. The reality is that many of these “press” are activists who document their activism and the activism of their comrades. They call themselves press, but they are press+activist. As a result they are often in the crowd of people throwing stuff at police, while screaming “hey you fucking fascist, aren’t you embarassed to be an authoritarian?” I am no…

Well I think you almost nailed the point - when the police declare a riot, and start rounding everyone up who doesn't disperse, the media gets rolled up with that as well many times - especially if you are livestreaming via a gopro and not with a NBC news truck (though we saw journalists with institutional backing get hit with rubber bullets this year as well)

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Post by HarryHirsch »

dragontamer wrote: post #93
screamingninja wrote: post #62

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> The police were attempting to intimidate and silence them is the honest answer. > likely none of them committed any actual crimes What makes you say that?

> What makes you say that? Watch the Lafayette Square clearing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2L1gZApugd0 Now notice a few things: 1. The first cop who throws a punch at them is clearly abusing his power. 2. A 2nd cop realizes what's going on, pulls the 1st cop off the news crew, and provides a place for the news reporters to run away. (This isn't clear from the Australian news camera. But some people filmed this i…

The officers who wish to intimidate the media exist. But there are also officers who realize this is a very, very bad idea

We are supposed to have a rule of law because we can't rely on the beneficience of individuals. The fact that there may be good cops doesn't change the fact that, by and large, they act as if they are above the law because they in fact are. The reluctance of prosecutors and juries to address even clear police misconduct is well documented.

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Post by anonfornoreason »

adamsea wrote: post #78
anonfornoreason wrote: post #57

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I live in Portland and watched many of these press people via Twitter. The reality is that many of these “press” are activists who document their activism and the activism of their comrades. They call themselves press, but they are press+activist. As a result they are often in the crowd of people throwing stuff at police, while screaming “hey you fucking fascist, aren’t you embarassed to be an authoritarian?” I am no…

> I am not saying that they are better or worse than traditional press, which I have a strong aversion to, I am just saying ... So you’re saying you just don’t like the press, basically. Except maybe the press that says what you like? Because tbh everything you wrote just sounds like a lot of authoritatively-stated opinion . Which tells me that you’re either uneducated about facts- , or, looking to shift the conversa…

Hey I am not saying police misconduct is not a problem. I would like to see some police reform myself, I myself have been a victim of unfair policing despite growing up white and middle class.

I can agree that police misconduct happens, while also say that many of the journalists in Portland covering the protests are literally there participating in protesting as well by virtue of what they are doing and what they say. I can also say this while respecting the work they are doing as journalists (which is why I follow them). These are not mutually exclusive statements as far as I can tell.

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