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Record Breaking Number of Journalists Arrested in the U.S. This Year

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Re: Record Breaking Number of Journalists Arrested in the U.S. This Year

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Post by dukeofdoom »

Its clearly a product of the riots this year. If you watch any of the live streams on youtube from the protests, its the most retarded thing ever. Literal convicts, just let out of jail, at the forefront of a civil rights movement, screaming how Black Lives matter, and how they are privileged white males. Tell me some of them were not being paid to be there. Because generally convicts are the least empathetic people.

And some of the "Journalist" running around with iphones livestreaming. Its not really an organic thing. Where they just happen to be there, to record something. Often, that some act is done, just for them so they can record it and livestream it.

I even watched one of these livestreamers, help direct a guy away from the police after he shot someone.

I only bring this up because its not so clear cut, where the "journalists" are the good guys. When any guy with an iphone can call himself a journalist. You get all kinds of people.

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Post by adamsea »

NDizzle wrote: post #7

What's their definition of journalist here? Journalists, at these protests, that were arrested? In other words, how many twitter followers do I need before I can identify as a journalist?!

Does it actually matter?

If you believe it does, why?

Re: Record Breaking Number of Journalists Arrested in the U.S. This Year

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Post by imglorp »

indigochill wrote: post #18

One line from the report jumped out at me as I was skimming it: > About half the journalists here are freelancers, who may lack the institutional support of a newsroom and the financial resources for a potentially expensive legal defense. I hadn't really thought of the value of legal defense from journalism institutions (as opposed to non-institutional platforms like Substack) before.

There are organizations filling this gap. I can think of several that probably need a donation this year:

   https://aclu.org
   https://freedom.press
   https://eff.org

Re: Record Breaking Number of Journalists Arrested in the U.S. This Year

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Post by justaman »

Miner49er wrote: post #65
screamingninja wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The police were attempting to intimidate and silence them is the honest answer. > likely none of them committed any actual crimes What makes you say that?

I've done some googling, and can't find any instances were a journalist was actually convicted. All I can find is instances that they weren't charged or charges were dropped.

Several of these cases involved a blogger(or other small syndication) confronting police who were responding to an incident. You don't have to look far to see these encounters on youtube. I'm not justifying the police in these situations, however the "journalists" were doing much more than observing; bordering on obstruction.

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Post by 8note »

tjr225 wrote: post #51
umvi wrote: post #2

> The vast majority of these arrests occurred while journalists were documenting the historic, nationwide protests over the police killing of George Floyd and in support of Black Lives Matter. So basically, it's not a coincidence - police are more likely to arrest journalists that are attending anti-police protests. And it's sort of understandable. Imagine you are a police officer called to go to a protest where ever…

> The escalated tensions probably adds way more stress to the officers there and they snap and start doing heavy handed policing because they want the protest to be over so they can go home. If they can’t manage the stress in a way that doesn’t prevent them from doing their job correctly they should be fired. The same logic applies to you or I, what is so special about the police?

They have a strong union.

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Post by bluntfang »

dukeofdoom wrote: post #81

Its clearly a product of the riots this year. If you watch any of the live streams on youtube from the protests, its the most retarded thing ever. Literal convicts, just let out of jail, at the forefront of a civil rights movement, screaming how Black Lives matter, and how they are privileged white males. Tell me some of them were not being paid to be there. Because generally convicts are the least empathetic people.…

>You get all kinds of people.

Very fine people on both sides

Re: Record Breaking Number of Journalists Arrested in the U.S. This Year

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Post by pwinnski »

NDizzle wrote: post #21
Miner49er wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's not pretend that it just happened to smaller-audience journalists. There's videos of CNN reporters being arrested while on air.

If I was arrested while livestreaming to Facebook I would be on their list of arrested journalists. Technically this means that a journalist was arrested in this situation, by their definition above: https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/04/us/chicago-facebook-live-beat...

No, you wouldn't. From the section you quoted above:

“While we recognize the importance and the rights of the private citizen who snaps a photo or video of an arrest, this site will only cover individuals who self-identify as journalists and have some track record of journalistic work.“

Re: Record Breaking Number of Journalists Arrested in the U.S. This Year

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Post by sli »

pixl97 wrote: post #71
HarryHirsch wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny fact: this organization is from New Zealand and amongst other issues, discusses the "right to work" in the US. Turns out that "right to work" means something different in NZ than it does in the US. In NZ it means "can actually make an honest living".

In the US you can generally determine what a law really stands for by putting 'anti-' in front of it.

"Right to work" laws are about unions. Perhaps you're thinking of at-will employment.

Re: Record Breaking Number of Journalists Arrested in the U.S. This Year

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Post by Throwaway1771 »

nickff wrote: post #73
tppiotrowski wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“While we recognize the importance and the rights of the private citizen who snaps a photo or video of an arrest, this site will only cover individuals who self-identify as journalists and have some track record of journalistic work.“ Looks like you’d have to produce some journalistic work in the past. Unclear if that’s a blog or having your worked printed in a major publication.

It's a completely circular definition (as far as I can see).

Defining now from In the past?

Don't think that's necessarily circular.

Re: Record Breaking Number of Journalists Arrested in the U.S. This Year

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Post by adamsea »

NDizzle wrote: post #37
Miner49er wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So? It's still an attack on the 1st amendment. During the protests I was watching an aggregation of different livestreams on Twitch, many of them were streams on Facebook. Some of the journalists doing reporting on there likely only had a handful of viewers when they started getting streamed by the aggregator and then they had thousands of viewers. These types of journalists caught many of the instances of police bru…

What I'm hearing is that if I live stream myself performing a crime, and I'm arrested, I'm now a valid statistic for a journalist being arrested. Is that accurate? I strongly disagree with you, if so.

Are you saying all the people in question were simultaneously committing crimes?

Because otherwise your analogy makes no sense. Since, you know, you said you would be committing a crime.

The real question is, is this an honest question - are you really asking what other people think, or, are you deliberately implying all the folks in question were somehow criminal?

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