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Re: Pornhub just purged all unverified content from the platform

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Post by arbaal » Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 7:33 PM UTC

dragontamer wrote: post #203

tristor wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Crunchyroll at least needed a team of translators to create subtitles for Naruto (and other anime circa the mid 00s). That is to say: Crunchyroll may have copyrihgt-infringed upon anime, but they added value. Most of the content on Crunchyroll was fansubbed by various IRC and torrent groups and used without permissions of the original copyright holders or of the fansub groups and without credit to the fansubbers. S…

Its been a while since those times. I remember Dattebayo fansubs, one of those torrent fansub groups you're talking about. I remember when they shutdown and announced support for Crunchyroll, suggesting that legitimate paid streaming was the future for anyone who actually wanted to support the anime subtitle community. Perhaps I wasn't remembering the full politics of mid 00s subtitle culture... its been a very long…

I think your retrospective is very Dattebayo centric and distorted.

Most big fansubbing groups hated CR back in the days when CR started, since CR took their fansunbs to fuel their business.

Once CR started to make/pay for their own translations (also hiring translators from some groups in the background) the situation got better, since then a clear, legal path was visible for the community.

Re: Pornhub just purged all unverified content from the platform

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Post by YinglingLight » Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 7:33 PM UTC

Phobophobia wrote: post #94

ianhawes wrote: post #12

This is undoubtedly a positive move, though I do not believe it will be enough to satisfy the likes of the credit card companies. They are requiring ID verification (i.e. that you're 18 or over) to upload content. As much as I am privacy-minded, the idea that someone could upload an explicit video to Pornhub without verifying that they were 18 is mind-boggling. This is also a net positive for content producers on Por…

Maybe I am misunderstanding something, but I feel this could be a major privacy negative if this means all platforms require identification verification (i.e all sites with an account require a cell phone number or address etc.). Currently, I can post to reddit or hackernews without my profile saying who I am or who I work for. Of course anonymity provides an environment prone to misinformation and exploitation, at t…

The only sincere exchange of ideas left will be on 4chan.

Re: Pornhub just purged all unverified content from the platform

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Post by OJFord » Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 7:34 PM UTC

ogre_codes wrote: post #174

OJFord wrote: post #139

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> If someone opened a video store in our city with videos of people's underaged kids Comparing to Reddit though, I think it's fairer to say something like 'if someone opened a cafe where paedophiles liked to hang out and chat'. Yes you'd absolutely expect police might visit in plain clothes to try to eavesdrop, or even raid the cafe, or whatever, but generally assuming there's no reason to suspect the cafe owner's in…

> Comparing to Reddit though, I think it's fairer to say something like 'if someone opened a cafe where paedophiles liked to hang out and chat'. The difference here is Reddit content is persistent and public. If you are in a cafe, your conversations are transient and can only be overheard by your nearest neighbor. Your cafe would have to have a bulletin board or file cabinets where descriptions of content is posted a…

Hmm.. Or a 'graffiti wall' where customers are allowed to contribute to the cafes eclectic art, but it's not exactly curated?

What I'm getting at is Reddit wasn't started with the idea that it had to vet content, if you put the responsibility for content on the website owner/operator.. I'm not saying it's wrong, but I think it's hard to draw a parallel on the high street, just because of the scale of the internet I suppose.

A debate society perhaps, that keeps rigorous records - in parliament for example, if a Member said something egregious they'd be personally called out on it, apologies (or resignation) demanded, etc. - but it wouldn't be struck from record. People might also think the Speaker ought to have stepped in sooner, etc., but then I suppose that's the problem again - there is and always has been the expectation of moderation there, the record keeping isn't some passive web form -> database, it's human presence.

(I'm honestly not sure where I stand on it, I'm not arguing one way or the other; just thinking - and putting those thoughts into a passive web form -> database that has only some light retrospective moderation. ;))

Re: Pornhub just purged all unverified content from the platform

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Post by ericlewis » Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 7:34 PM UTC

slothtrop wrote: post #227

tmalsburg2 wrote: post #74

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> Their entire business is built on stolen content uploaded by anonymous users, Not disagreeing with you, but, to be fair, that was exactly Youtube's recipe for success, and still is to some extent. I never understood how Youtube could get away with that.

My understanding is that copyrighted content on Youtube is often uploaded under the guise of anonymous users, but this is illusory. Unauthorized videos are taken down with vigilance, we see this happening to content creators all the time for no good reason. If these videos get the thumbs up to stay up, they're in cahoots with copyright holders somehow (most likely) or are deliberately ignored for some other reason. O…

This most certainly wasn't the case for YouTube in the early days either. Once Google took over they were WAY more strict about locking down infringing works.

Re: Pornhub just purged all unverified content from the platform

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Post by digianarchist » Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 7:36 PM UTC

matthewdgreen wrote: post #168

jennyyang wrote: post #159

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From the article, Pornhub only had 118 incidences of child porn over the last 3 years whereas Facebook had 84 million incidents of child porn during the same time. So it sounds like Pornhub is taking child porn seriously, and Facebook isn't.

Two more likely possibilities: (1) Pornhub wasn't really checking, which is an easy way to get good stats.* (2) Many of Facebook's 84 million incidents took place on private groups or Messenger chats with small numbers of participants, whereas a single PornHub upload (counted as "1 incident") could easily reach hundreds of thousands of people. Fundamentally difficult to compare private communications networks with br…

I've personally reported child pornography on Pornhub several times that wasn't removed.

Pornhub also required you to have an account to report content if I'm not mistaken.

Re: Pornhub just purged all unverified content from the platform

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Post by RpFLCL » Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 7:36 PM UTC

jchw wrote: post #68

This is interesting considering issues with CSEM far and away plague social media websites significantly worse than porn websites. Credit card companies are super eager to drop porn and sex related vendors, in the United States . The stated reasoning is that this kind of stuff leads to a lot of chargebacks/disputes/fraud, but I suspect this is not the full story, and this news doesn’t do much to quell that concern. I…

>Something feels disconcerting here. It’s not that I care personally about this particular action; in truth I have almost only ever seen meme videos on Pornhub. But it feels like it could be a precursor to another push to censor pornography and the internet.

I would go even farther to worry that this might begin to push the Overton window towards demonizing any content posted online that isn't "verified" by a real identity. MindGeek (the company behind PornHub) was also backing the UK's law requiring an ID to watch porn online. If users get comfortable with the idea of having even their porn tied to a real ID, wouldn't they become comfortable with less "private" content also tied to their legal identity?

I don't want to read this headline from the future: "Pornhub requires an ID, should Reddit, Twitter, and 4chan do the same?" And I also don't want to read the future headline: "Pornhub's ID database hacked, thousands of models names and addresses exposed"

Anonymity is important (imo) and it would be a shame to see people use porn as the excuse to curtail it. Surely it's possible to remove illegal content without stripping away privacy and anonymity.

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Post by andrewflnr » Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 7:37 PM UTC

ashleshbiradar wrote: post #176

"This means every piece of Pornhub content is from verified uploaders, a requirement that platforms like Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, Snapchat and Twitter have yet to institute." the entire world's solution for fixing the fucked up society seems to be moderation and not education.

Education is hard, has a really long lead time, no one can agree on what the curriculum should be, and you can't force people to learn anyway. You're right that we should be trying, but moderation will remain necessary forever.

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Post by syshum » Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 7:37 PM UTC

tomjen3 wrote: post #205

miracle2k wrote: post #113

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These seem all very different critiques. The Nick Kristof article is based on the work of Laila Mickelwait, who has for the last couple of years worked tirelessly on her campaign to shutdown Pornhub. I twas her who has surfaced all the victims in the article. Though I doubt she will succeed now, she is very clear that the end-goal is not to monitor Pornhub, but to criminally charge it's owners. This is because a crim…

And a very quick google search confirmed what I suspected: she works for a christian organization. I thought that we had effectively neutered the religious right.

No, instead we has simply proven the Horseshoe theory of politics.

Liberty, and freedom are under assault from both the extreme right, and the extreme left. Who it seems end up supporting similar policies for very different reasons

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Post by wolco2 » Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 7:38 PM UTC

Karunamon wrote: post #240

tomjen3 wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And a very quick google search confirmed what I suspected: she works for a christian organization. I thought that we had effectively neutered the religious right.

And? How is that relevant? I really quite loathe this line of argument that the source or even the intentions behind a probably factual statement should be taken into account when evaluating the truthfulness of the statement. It's textbook ad hominem, literally argument to the person. PH has a demonstrable problem with child porn on its service. I don't care if it's the US government, a different government, a religi…

The stats compared to facebook show the opposite.

100 or so items over three years is a success story compared to any other social network.

You need trust in the messager. If this person has religious objections ignoring that is ignoring reality. The messager is the message

Re: Pornhub just purged all unverified content from the platform

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Post by sequoia » Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 7:39 PM UTC

It's surprising to me (perhaps shouldn't be) how many people here are discussing this issue in the abstract using terms like "broadly harmless." To these commenters: are you unaware of the issue of child porn, revenge porn, stolen content* and videos of actual rapes being uploaded to Pornhub, and Pornhub making money off of this content?

If you are aware of this (the core issue), you should be grappling with these issues rather than ignoring them. If you're not aware of these issues (the core issue here & the motivation for the actions of the CC companies), please read[1] & build that complicated issue into your view of the topic before commenting. These "what's the harm?" comments are really stupid, to put it bluntly.

* and I don't care about DMCA & intellectual property, I'm talking about someone having their phone stolen & private pictures taken, or sending pics to a lover in confidence and having him humiliate her by sharing it online & telling friends and she can't get the pictures taken down. This isn't about IP it's about peoples' lives.

1: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/04/opinion/sunday/pornhub-ra...

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