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Apple M1 vs. Ryzen 3900X vs. Intel I9 in Software Development

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Re: Apple M1 vs. Ryzen 3900X vs. Intel I9 in Software Development

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Post by ogre_codes »

JohnTHaller wrote: post #124
bb123 wrote: post #11

The fact that we are even able to realistically compare a CPU in an ultralight laptop with no fan to an i9 is absolutely amazing. To me that would be an upgrade even if performance is a complete wash.

I think they're more light than ultralight. Otherwise the performance stands. LG Gram 2020: 2.07 lbs MacBook 2017: 2.03 lbs MacBook Air 2020: 2.8 lbs MacBook Pro 2020: 3.0 lbs

Apple deliberately kept the form factors of these the same for this launch. It will be interesting seeing where they go from here form factor wise.

Also... I suspect benchmarking the LG or the 12" MacBook versus the Air would be pretty humiliating.

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Post by ddorian43 »

pmontra wrote: post #159

Considering that Apple won't sell their chips to anybody else, and the M2, M3, Mn could be increasingly faster than the x86 chips, how long before we start moving along this path? 1. Amazon, Google, Microsoft start building their own chips for their own clouds. The most efficient chip could translate into the cheapest cloud, or the fastest one at the same price. Their choice. 2. There will be N somewhat compatible AR…

The clouds should start building their own bytes so they can get cheaper bandwidth.

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Post by kube-system »

xt00 wrote: post #17

I wonder why the mac mini M1 seemed to sometimes underperform the macbook air M1 -- shouldn't the mac mini be outperforming the mac book air essentially across the board due to the better thermal envelope?

Maybe Apple is binning the worse chips in the Mini? It is their cheapest Mac, after all.

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Post by isatty »

secondcoming wrote: post #35

Those Redis results are very interesting. So interesting that it looks like something is wrong with the test. Maybe the OS is a factor? I assume they're connecting to redis over domain sockets?

redis is _the_ single threaded application

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Post by dralley »

galaxyLogic wrote: post #143

Isn't it much the case that AMD beats Intel because AMD is 7nm while Intel is 10nm. And now, Apple is 5nm. You would expect the fastest performance from 5nm, assuming we don't take into account multi-threading. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/Apple-M1-Chip-Everything-W...

Intel isn't really "on 10nm". The economics of the 10nm process are terrible, yields are still so poor that it is basically only usable for low-power, low-core-count mobile chips, produced in low quantities.

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Post by danieldisu »

pmontra wrote: post #159

Considering that Apple won't sell their chips to anybody else, and the M2, M3, Mn could be increasingly faster than the x86 chips, how long before we start moving along this path? 1. Amazon, Google, Microsoft start building their own chips for their own clouds. The most efficient chip could translate into the cheapest cloud, or the fastest one at the same price. Their choice. 2. There will be N somewhat compatible AR…

maybe you will be able to compile everything in the cloud and then it doesn't matter what type of computer you have

Re: Apple M1 vs. Ryzen 3900X vs. Intel I9 in Software Development

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Post by scottlamb »

jxy wrote: post #39
vmchale wrote: post #14

Surprised SQLite was faster on Ryzen. But looks like M1 outperforms nearly everywhere else!

We should ask sqlite's developer, but I guess it's not optimized for M1.

What would that involve? I'm not a SQLite developer, but I don't think they have a lot of platform-specific optimizations. It's written to be as boring as possible. In particular, unlike some other benchmarks discussed recently, SQLite doesn't have any x86-64-specific SIMD or crypto intrinsics/assembly that needs to be reimplemented for ARM.

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Post by SpaceRaccoon »

msoad wrote: post #59

Rumor is in a few months Apple will release a new chip that is made for pro computers. It will be in iMac and MacBook Pro 16in. I don't know what it is called but it had almost double the cache and core count of M1. That MacBook Pro is the one you probably want to buy for coding purposes.

I've seen it referred to as the "M1X".

Re: Apple M1 vs. Ryzen 3900X vs. Intel I9 in Software Development

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Post by alexhutcheson »

skrtskrt wrote: post #127
alexhutcheson wrote: post #79

I recently ordered a Lenovo X1 Carbon at a steep discount ($830 for Gen 8 w/ 16 GB RAM and 512 GB SSD). I felt great about it when I ordered it, but now I'm agonizing over whether to cancel and get an M1 MacBook Air instead. I'll probably be using the laptop for 4-5 years, and I'm concerned that anything with a current-gen Intel chip is going to feel like "legacy tech" for most of that time. Amazing how the M1 has ch…

Wow how did you get it that cheap? At that price I wouldn’t worry about it becoming obsolete I would just wait 2-3 years for either another round of Mac updates or a Thinkpad with more modern chip

Public price was $999[1], which stacked with a discount available through my employer.

I suspect they're trying to clear stock of the Gen 8, which faces tough competition from the M1 MacBook Air, the new Dell XPS 13 (with 11th gen Tiger Lake chips), and the upcoming X1 Carbon Gen 9 (also presumably with Tiger Lake chips).

[1] https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-x1/X1..., specific model I ordered is "Temporarily Unavailable" on the far right.

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Post by qorrect »

jxy wrote: post #39
vmchale wrote: post #14

Surprised SQLite was faster on Ryzen. But looks like M1 outperforms nearly everywhere else!

We should ask sqlite's developer, but I guess it's not optimized for M1.

That's what I was thinking, SQLLite probably did a lot of optimization for x86. Once they tune it for M1 I bet we'll see some phenomenal performance.
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