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Privacy matters even if “you have nothing to hide”

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Re: Privacy matters even if “you have nothing to hide”

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Post by serial_dev »

Grimm1 wrote: post #108
cle wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But that's an even weaker rhetorical strategy. You're asking people to admit that they're susceptible to psychological manipulation. It's akin to asking them to admit "I'm weak and have no control over my beliefs". The people who are most vulnerable to that kind of manipulation are exactly the ones who are unlikely to respond well to this kind of rhetoric.

I'm responding the the question the op posed "For what?" and then proceeded to offer the most innocuous thing advertising does when there are far more well known malicious things happening every day. I agree this won't convince people for the reason you've stated I just want to make sure we're all on the same page about the actual level of harm that happens.

I'm not in the group of people who would not accept I'm being manipulated. I believe that I'm constantly being manipulated by the media, anyway. If a ~100 character Facebook ad can change my political position, then maybe it is for the better?

Re: Privacy matters even if “you have nothing to hide”

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Post by TT3351 »

lawn wrote: post #10

I've started to ask "What about others? Don't they have the right to privacy?". For example if you're gay you might not want everyone to find out. Or if you're into some weird kinky stuff. Or even better if you live with a hidden identity because you've witnessed against organized crime. It's fine to give away your personal privacy, but it's harder to throw other people under the buss (if you're capable of empathy as…

And the more of us who don't feel the explicit need for privacy who are willing to speak up for those we know who do need it, the better

Re: Privacy matters even if “you have nothing to hide”

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Post by sroussey »

raspyberr wrote: post #45
bad_alloc wrote: post #4

Whenever somebody argues having nothing to hide I ask: 1) Where were you last night? 2) How much money is in your bank account? Do you have any debt? 3) What is your Debit Card PIN/account password/... 4) What is your address? Your families address? 5) Can I see your key? And so on. Everybody needs to proctect themselves and potentially others attached to them. There is a good reason for these questions being awkward…

This approach is one of my biggest annoyances because it's not the same. You're asking for them to give you something but they're not getting anything in return. When people use Facebook/Google etc. they get a service that they end up valuing very highly in return. That common argument of "Give me your phone and PIN" is so pointless because people wouldn't even give that stuff to Facebook if it didn't give them anyth…

If they don’t care, ask for their password.

Re: Privacy matters even if “you have nothing to hide”

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Post by umvi »

meowster wrote: post #64
bad_alloc wrote: post #4

Whenever somebody argues having nothing to hide I ask: 1) Where were you last night? 2) How much money is in your bank account? Do you have any debt? 3) What is your Debit Card PIN/account password/... 4) What is your address? Your families address? 5) Can I see your key? And so on. Everybody needs to proctect themselves and potentially others attached to them. There is a good reason for these questions being awkward…

Instead of those questions, just ask them if they have blinds or curtains on their windows at home. It's better to show that they already take steps to be private rather than asking privacy-invasive questions. One of those makes you the bad guy, the other shows that they actually do value privacy.

Yeah I have blinds. But not because I am paranoid of peeping toms but because I like to sleep without the sun in my eyes.

Re: Privacy matters even if “you have nothing to hide”

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Post by pc86 »

matz1 wrote: post #106
Rooster61 wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So privacy matters because 'thats your business' > If you trying to convince other why privacy matters, thats not going to be helpful. I'm not trying to. I'm pointing out that I, nor anyone else, has to. You aren't entitled to know why one wants privacy.

fair enough, then likewise you aren't entitled to know why other don't want privacy.

At this point I have to believe you're either a troll or some sort of GPT-3 bot based on how you're almost trying to miss the point and - seemingly intentionally - misconstrue very easy to understand and generally accepted concepts.

Re: Privacy matters even if “you have nothing to hide”

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Post by [deleted] »

snarf21 wrote: post #66
bad_alloc wrote: post #4

Whenever somebody argues having nothing to hide I ask: 1) Where were you last night? 2) How much money is in your bank account? Do you have any debt? 3) What is your Debit Card PIN/account password/... 4) What is your address? Your families address? 5) Can I see your key? And so on. Everybody needs to proctect themselves and potentially others attached to them. There is a good reason for these questions being awkward…

Exactly. Anyone who says they have nothing to hide, I ask them for their unlocked mobile.

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Re: Privacy matters even if “you have nothing to hide”

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Post by pletsch »

AlexTWithBeard wrote: post #84
tolbish wrote: post #15

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I do not think it is a given that the general public feels powerless about privacy. Why would someone take steps to empower themselves if they see no need for such power?

You're right: people don't feel a need for that. And it's because all the "spying" ironically happens secretly. May be if every person got an email every time their data is sold to the third party, things would have changed quickly.

I received this email. It is very strange. I had never heard of the company either but found they are sellers of B2B contact info.

There is no option to request my info be deleted, or even to correct the info so people aren't harassing the wrong person (some of the information wasn't right, they are selling my parents and families addresses instead of mine). They ALSO have a free app that allows up to 5 contact a day, so they might even be giving this info out for free and I'm assuming someone is harvesting as much free data as they can.

It's absurd that there is an entire industry based on selling private info that they themselves acquired from other companies. It's disgusting that people have built an industry on buying and selling private information

I ended up moving as much data as It's disgusting that people have built an industry on buying and selling private informationI could to a private server, but this really isn't the solution. Most people don't have IT backgrounds to be able to do this sort of thing. I hope more people become aware and sIt's disgusting that people have built an industry on buying and selling private informationtart pressuring govt. officials to change laws.

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Re: Privacy matters even if “you have nothing to hide”

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Post by soupson »

jccalhoun wrote: post #58

I ambivalent about online privacy. One one hand, I use ublock origin and privacy badger but on the other hand, last year facebook suggested I join a group for progressive asian christians. (I am not asian or religious) and although I've had an Amazon account for years, their recommendations to me are still terrible (I have turned off adblocking on facebook and amazon because I've ran into issues using them with it en…

This is an interesting argument. It seems to boil down to, "I don't see the effects of this surveillance, so the trillion dollar corporations who employ thousands of engineers to design the systems must be wasting their time." I have a hard time squaring that circle. Entire industries have deluded themselves in the past, but I'm not willing to be my future behavior on it being the case this time.

Re: Privacy matters even if “you have nothing to hide”

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Post by matz1 »

pc86 wrote: post #115
matz1 wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

fair enough, then likewise you aren't entitled to know why other don't want privacy.

At this point I have to believe you're either a troll or some sort of GPT-3 bot based on how you're almost trying to miss the point and - seemingly intentionally - misconstrue very easy to understand and generally accepted concepts.

No, i disagree with the premise of the article and simply trying to argue, within logic and reason, against it.
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