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Re: Pornhub just purged all unverified content from the platform

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Post by standardUser »

CapricornNoble wrote: post #58
standardUser wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"You do not go after women and start a family." One of the many benefits I have received from porn and sex positivity in general. Imagine thinking you're supposed to "go after" a woman because of some requirement to start a family? Absolutely dystopian.

You wouldn't even be here if your dad didn't go after your mom. What's dystopian about the drive to perpetuate the species? That's the most basic function of any lifeform.

I am extremely driven, but due to various methods of birth control I am completely unsuccessful.

Many species, including higher mammals, frequently engage in infanticide as part of their quest to perpetuate their genes, so maybe let's all try to do a bit better than the default of the natural world.

Re: Pornhub just purged all unverified content from the platform

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Post by true_religion »

tobessebot wrote: post #17
ecmascript wrote: post #2

Pretty silly what they have to do in order to make the keyholders happy. Should MC and Visa really dictate how people make their business? I don't think so. Sure CP is very, very bad but I have been using Pornhub for many years and I have never seen such content on the platform. This is one big reason why I think decentralized currencies like bitcoin one day could succeed. IMO, this is the golden quote: > Pornhub's a…

Third-party foundations finding legitimate instances of sexual abuse of children is going to be incredibly rare because how would you ever tell 18 and 17-year-olds apart? Facebook has much more information available to them and they are aggressively checking their platform for it, that's why they find so many instances.

Also Facebook is much much bigger than PornHub. This cannot be stated enough.

For many people Facebook is the internet. Facebook handles commercial transactions, conversations between family members and is the sole source of contact between old friends.

Other than Facebook, I'd guess the biggest source/storage spot for CP would be Gmail.

Unlike PornHub, Facebook has to contend with actual children sending pictures back and forth to each other, just like our generation sexted on AIM and IRC. Last of all, PornHub content is mostly public so people will flag content and take cause it to be taken down fairly quickly, while Facebook can have content hidden away for ages inside some private chat or private group.

So the recap:

1. Facebook is bigger

2. Facebook has more source material (i.e. under 18 year olds use the platform)

3. Facebook is has less crowd-source moderation (so illegal content builds up like sediment)

Re: Pornhub just purged all unverified content from the platform

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Post by koolba »

soupson wrote: post #83
tmalsburg2 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Their entire business is built on stolen content uploaded by anonymous users, Not disagreeing with you, but, to be fair, that was exactly Youtube's recipe for success, and still is to some extent. I never understood how Youtube could get away with that.

Section 230 + lack of resources by the owners to sue, right?

Don’t forget giving a slice to the biggest copyright holders (who otherwise do have the $$$ to sue) to keep them on your team.

Re: Pornhub just purged all unverified content from the platform

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Post by mikepurvis »

varispeed wrote: post #53
IshKebab wrote: post #27

However you feel about this, one thing is clear: MasterCard and Visa have too much power.

What I find crazy is that you can't just start your own payment processor. That space is gatekeeped to the extreme and it is what makes me uneasy about the whole electronic money thing. If we want to part with paper money, we should be allowed to issue our own cards tied to our own money reserves.

No one's stopping you issuing your own card. The barrier is in getting your card accepted by zillions of retailers and online merchants. Having built that network is what entrenches Visa and MC.

PayPal has attacked this in the online space by offering merchants a credit card checkout flow that also allows you to pay straight from your linked-directly-to-bank-account PayPal account. Square is attacking it in a similar way in the physical domain. Companies like WeChat and Grab are also working on alternative ways to pay for common things.

It's definitely a duopoly, but the solution here probably looks like some kind of government-overseen/mandated standard which allows a reasonable hurdle for newcomers to participate on both the consumer and merchant side.

Re: Pornhub just purged all unverified content from the platform

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Post by Ekaros »

varispeed wrote: post #53
IshKebab wrote: post #27

However you feel about this, one thing is clear: MasterCard and Visa have too much power.

What I find crazy is that you can't just start your own payment processor. That space is gatekeeped to the extreme and it is what makes me uneasy about the whole electronic money thing. If we want to part with paper money, we should be allowed to issue our own cards tied to our own money reserves.

I'm not against extreme regulation of payment processors. After all they are dealing with money and there is huge risks. But on other hand it should be open market and anyone who fulfills the regulatory burden should have equal rights to paid access to existing players like banks. And I don't even think it should be cheap access, but access that can't be revoked.

Re: Pornhub just purged all unverified content from the platform

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Post by AntiImperialist »

tmalsburg2 wrote: post #74
pyrophane wrote: post #47

I don't have any sympathy for Pornhub here. Their entire business is built on stolen content uploaded by anonymous users, and it wasn't until they hollowed out the rest of the industry through theft that they started looking beyond it. I would go so far as to say that the reason Pornhub and other tube sites haven't taken problems like child porn and revenge porn seriously is because doing so would undermine the found…

> Their entire business is built on stolen content uploaded by anonymous users, Not disagreeing with you, but, to be fair, that was exactly Youtube's recipe for success, and still is to some extent. I never understood how Youtube could get away with that.

It is still very much so when it comes to Facebook videos.

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Post by Lorkki »

mrlala wrote: post #87
pyrophane wrote: post #47

I don't have any sympathy for Pornhub here. Their entire business is built on stolen content uploaded by anonymous users, and it wasn't until they hollowed out the rest of the industry through theft that they started looking beyond it. I would go so far as to say that the reason Pornhub and other tube sites haven't taken problems like child porn and revenge porn seriously is because doing so would undermine the found…

>Their entire business is built on stolen content uploaded by anonymous users I don't know, whenever the topic of Kim Dotcom/Megaupload comes up people on hackernews act like he has done nothing wrong and is a victim. Now the community is against a business being built on uploading stolen content by anonymous users? Ok.

There are a lot of people here. Are you sure it's the same ones saying both of those things?

Re: Pornhub just purged all unverified content from the platform

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Post by Der_Einzige »

happytoexplain wrote: post #30
syshum wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let me guess, next you are going to tell me that my first person shooter game makes me a violent thug and should be banned These types of "studies" in gaming have been debunked for years, I image the porn "studies" will be as well

Why are you so sure that the psychology of sex and violence are identical, especially in such a specific context? They're totally different things. It seems ridiculous to point to the studies on one and say, "surely the studies on the other shall have the same result". Personally, I have no idea, but your premise doesn't make sense.

It's much more likely than senseless violence is far worse for the psyche of an individual than senseless sex is. I'd rather 10 year old timmy see sexual content instead of terminator.

I'm most likely in the minority - but I'm also convinced that I'm living in a clown world where our society tolerates and encourages senseless pain and violence from the very beginning (through routine male circumcision of hundreds of millions as just a single example), so being in the minority makes me believe that my chances of acting ethically are higher, not lower.

Basically, porn is far less bad than violence from a very early age.

Re: Pornhub just purged all unverified content from the platform

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Post by ogre_codes »

Anon1096 wrote: post #6

I'm surprised at how much impact the NYT's expose (I would personally consider it more of a hit piece) has had. I naively assumed that PornHub, as a top-10 site on the web would be immune to such a piece, but I guess I was wrong. How many of the members of the NYT and the Visa and Mastercard boards who created on this outcome watched the videos that are now down? Probably a majority of them, but that wasn't enough to…

> They're just an opinion columnist's penstroke away from the mob coming to roost.

If Reddit is not doing anything about content with underaged actors, rape, and non-consenting participants, then they should face scrutiny.

If someone opened a video store in our city with videos of people's underaged kids, portraying rape, or using footage released without consent. You can bet the local PD would be knocking on their door eventually. There is no reason a corporation should be exempt here.

Re: Pornhub just purged all unverified content from the platform

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Post by mschuster91 »

mrlala wrote: post #87
pyrophane wrote: post #47

I don't have any sympathy for Pornhub here. Their entire business is built on stolen content uploaded by anonymous users, and it wasn't until they hollowed out the rest of the industry through theft that they started looking beyond it. I would go so far as to say that the reason Pornhub and other tube sites haven't taken problems like child porn and revenge porn seriously is because doing so would undermine the found…

>Their entire business is built on stolen content uploaded by anonymous users I don't know, whenever the topic of Kim Dotcom/Megaupload comes up people on hackernews act like he has done nothing wrong and is a victim. Now the community is against a business being built on uploading stolen content by anonymous users? Ok.

> I don't know, whenever the topic of Kim Dotcom/Megaupload comes up people on hackernews act like he has done nothing wrong and is a victim

Of course he has done wrong, but the fact why people are standing up for him is he did not do it while being in the US. It is one thing if the US asks for extradition of a criminal who committed the crime in the US, but an entirely different thing if the criminal committed the crime in another country - and that doesn't even answer the question if what the criminal did is actually a crime in that country.

It's already a legal stretch to arrest and punish pedophiles who fly out to Asia to rape children (because enforcing the laws against child rape should be something for the destination countries!), but the Dotcom and Assange sagas should not result in extradition.

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