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Stalking her daughter’s killers across Mexico, one by one

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Re: Stalking her daughter’s killers across Mexico, one by one

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Post by aconsult1 »

Allenaz wrote: post #176
watermelon59 wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some areas of Brazil suffer from a lot of that too. Day-to-day violent crime was the #1 reason that I wanted to leave the country.

Me too, which is "funny" when it comes up in conversations, because people assume you left to earn more money, and then you tell them that you actually earned more in Brazil than you do now, but you have the constant fear of random violence.

I also came to the US deciding to leave my country and relatives behind for the exact same reason. Once you have kids your perspective changes and security of your family is much more important than money or work. The crimes you see in my current neighborhood today look like kid's pranks when compared to the real dangers I had to face on a daily basis back in my country.

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Post by rayiner »

rexpop wrote: post #140
TrackerFF wrote: post #118

Used to date a girl from Honduras (Tegucigalpa), and heard some real horror stories about the day-to-day crime. One day a gang knocked on her parents door (they owned an apartment) and pretty much gave them a 2-day notice to get out. They packed their stuff, and left. Their senior neighbor did not - she ended up getting killed. Apparently gangs like that just seize apartments, and use them for criminal activities (pr…

It's worth mentioning that the violence in Honduras is, in no small part, part of the US State Department's bipartisan foreign policy from which we benefit. Fast fashion, which Americans consume, is enabled by the precarious situations we've foist upon the Hondurans by destabilizing their government, and installing leadership sympathetic to our colonial interests. Your ex-girlfriend's uncle died for my t-shirt. > Ten…

Various US Army academies and schools are broadly open to members of the military in the United States’ allies. It’s like saying the general when to an American university—that doesn’t imply any American endorsement of his actions.

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Post by JamesBarney »

addicted wrote: post #173
xenadu02 wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There just isn't nearly as much money in any alternatives. At its root money is required to maintain cartel power. Sure they aren't going to disappear overnight. But cutting out their most profitable product lines would make a huge dent without a doubt. We have a real-world example of that from Prohibition so it isn't entirely theoretical.

If there isn’t enough money, it only ends up making gangs more ruthless as they now have to compete for a smaller share of money with other gangs. They end up extorting even more money from the local populace, and try and extend their fangs into other activities. I’m not saying that legalizing drugs won’t help at all. But it’s unlikely it will help in places that already have gangs without other actions in addition.

It took a little while, but why did it help so much when we ended prohibition but wouldn't when we end other drugs?

Re: Stalking her daughter’s killers across Mexico, one by one

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Post by throwaway__44 »

watermelon59 wrote: post #138
TrackerFF wrote: post #118

Used to date a girl from Honduras (Tegucigalpa), and heard some real horror stories about the day-to-day crime. One day a gang knocked on her parents door (they owned an apartment) and pretty much gave them a 2-day notice to get out. They packed their stuff, and left. Their senior neighbor did not - she ended up getting killed. Apparently gangs like that just seize apartments, and use them for criminal activities (pr…

Some areas of Brazil suffer from a lot of that too. Day-to-day violent crime was the #1 reason that I wanted to leave the country.

Left the US(A) in early 2019 for this exact reason (SFBay) after 18 years. Now back in my native Iceland comfortably retiring. And kids no longer need to practice for active shooter situations at school. And I don't worry that a trigger happy cop gets too excited at traffic stop either.

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Post by teslaberry »

the way to control a country that is already problematic is to simply support violent crime and gang activity in that country.

that is a huge part of what we call 'guerilla' warfare and proxy war. all military outfits need money and drugs and selling slaves or anything else illegal is the best way to finance already illegal operations using military level of violence. violence begets violence.

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Post by matthewdgreen »

Maven911 wrote: post #188
TeMPOraL wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recall reading an article on HN the other day which revealed there's even an insurance policy against ransom kidnappings, and that there are companies specializing in dealing with them - particularly, in business settings, they'd pay off the kidnappers and then bill your company for "consulting" (this is so that your company doesn't look like it's supporting organized crime by paying ransom).

And this also exists with insurance and consultants for dealing with ransomware

The difference is that ransomware gangs often come through with the decryption keys, while these two examples make it seem like it is common for kidnapping gangs to just keep the ransom and bury the hostage in a shallow grave. Ignoring the enormous moral issues, I wonder what the business incentives are here.

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Post by matthewdgreen »

frellus wrote: post #36

Amazing story, and real journalism. If only the news spent more time uncovering the truth instead of opining about politics. I'm so sick of politics.

There's a reason that we don't have quite this level of random violence in the US -- even in areas where drug traffic is high. Our politics have a lot to do with it. Ignore it at your peril.

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Post by throwaway_2047 »

yaniqt wrote: post #167
ogou wrote: post #159

Important to note that her own cousins helped set up the kidnapping and there is no drug transaction or service mentioned. Was done purely for money. Also, this isn’t a story about just one event. A much broader story is laid out. A quick search shows ~1300 confirmed kidnappings per year with 70000 reported missing. A kidnapping ending in death may just get reported as a murder. These numbers indicate a systemic prob…

Her cousins didn't help setup the kidnapping - that was the boy in the parallel story.

I find this style of storytelling dizzying. As a non-native english user, the interleaving of narrative confuses me. Is it a desired style of journaling?

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Post by stickfigure »

tremon wrote: post #170
vehementi wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So are you and the other person in agreement that it's conspiracy theory nonsense then?

It reads to me like they're saying the conspiracy theory is valid, unless someone is held accountable for the CCTV failure.

Sure, it's a conspiracy of taxpayers to avoid the massive investment that would be required to bring all that technology back into working order - across public infrastructure everywhere throughout the country.

What percentage of BART cameras do you think work? Based on the number of high-profile incidents without footage, I'd guess Consider yourself held responsible and allocate yourself the consequences you see fit.

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