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Stalking her daughter’s killers across Mexico, one by one

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Re: Stalking her daughter’s killers across Mexico, one by one

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Criminalization of drugs is a price support program for the cartels. Legalise the drugs and allow legal production - and the cartels will have to find an honest way to make a living like the rest of us have to do.

It would be interesting to hear if they are actively lobbying against legalisation. Perhaps someone here knows?

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Look at it another way. Do you really think an industry reaping trillions of dollars is going to go away without a fight?

Wouldn't they be more likely to just enter the market as legal participants? Cartels kill and do heinous things to their competitors because they can't take them to court and sue them and get an injunction to stop bad behavior.

Agreed this is too simple and common sense for the government to do.

Re: Stalking her daughter’s killers across Mexico, one by one

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Look at it another way. Do you really think an industry reaping trillions of dollars is going to go away without a fight?

Wouldn't they be more likely to just enter the market as legal participants? Cartels kill and do heinous things to their competitors because they can't take them to court and sue them and get an injunction to stop bad behavior.

That's not what happened with Prohibition. Crime syndicates providing black-market alcohol didn't just set up as legitimate alcohol vendors, they moved into unrelated markets like controlling labor unions.

Note that labor unions were a legitimate type of enterprise, but organized crime ran them illegitimately anyway. The willingness to break the law is their competitive advantage; it would make no sense to give it up.

Re: Stalking her daughter’s killers across Mexico, one by one

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There are many places in the US where you can live quite comfortably for $2000 a month.

Such as?

Check out Craigslist 'housing' section. Oklahoma City as suggested by other commenter has 1 brs for under $600, but I'm sure there are places in California or elsewhere at least as cheap. If you're willing to share a place, you could even find cheaper places, or more desirable areas

https://www.craigslist.org/about/sites

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> Legalise the drugs and allow legal production - and the cartels will have to find an honest way to make a living like the rest of us have to do. This is magical thinking. Organized crime can make money in other ways. This story is about kidnapping, for example. Organized crime exists in many places where it’s not funded by drug trade.

You serious think that taking away the stream of income that has put trillions of usd in the hands of cartels / organized crime won't have a huge impact?

I have doubts that it will fix the problem. It's not just drugs that these cartels control--it's kidnapping, avocados, cross-border smuggling, etc.

It's possible the violence might actually increase, actually.

Re: Stalking her daughter’s killers across Mexico, one by one

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Right, there is a keen difference between organized crime thriving or merely existing. That it would continue to exist misses the point.

There's also a difference in the way organized crime manifests itself. Kidnapping schemes can't really exist for organized crime in the developed countries. The state security forces would stomp them out too quickly.

Or if they do, they focus on high value targets. And those high value targets in a free market should be able to pay for their own protection.

Re: Stalking her daughter’s killers across Mexico, one by one

#157

I've been trying to think of ideas of how they could help themselves. The only thing I can think of is to use technology - camera's everywhere, body cams and tracking devices on vehicles and people. I know they aren't wealthy, but the town could put cameras on the streets like the do in London. I'm just brainstorming here... Such a sad situation they are in.

I've pondered on this and wonder if religion could be the answer. I say this as an atheist. But churches, typically already established well in these areas, could have the community structure combines with good social values and zeal/commitment, even fanaticism to see through what would likely be tough time initially to cleaning up areas.

Something along the lines of a Knights Templar where segment of a community devote themselves to the protection of people in the area. It might even give youth an alternative to avoid gangs as while jobs are scarce they can join a 'higher order' so have an alternative that provides purpose and a raise in self-status.

Note: I know nothing about these areas or problems really so approach this mental exercise from a position of ignorance and Hollywood.

Re: Stalking her daughter’s killers across Mexico, one by one

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It's worth mentioning that the violence in Honduras is, in no small part, part of the US State Department's bipartisan foreign policy from which we benefit. Fast fashion, which Americans consume, is enabled by the precarious situations we've foist upon the Hondurans by destabilizing their government, and installing leadership sympathetic to our colonial interests. Your ex-girlfriend's uncle died for my t-shirt. > Ten…

Blaming the US for the endless violence in Honduras is typical internet nonsense.

He wrote "in no small part", which is accurate.

Re: Stalking her daughter’s killers across Mexico, one by one

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Important to note that her own cousins helped set up the kidnapping and there is no drug transaction or service mentioned. Was done purely for money. Also, this isn’t a story about just one event. A much broader story is laid out. A quick search shows ~1300 confirmed kidnappings per year with 70000 reported missing. A kidnapping ending in death may just get reported as a murder. These numbers indicate a systemic problem. So much that it is a consumer industry now: “To pay the first ransom, Mrs. Rodríguez’s family took out a loan from a bank that offered lines of credit for such payments.”

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Really? I consider it one of the three worst films I've seen: just a celebration of excessive violence and gratuitous avoidance of due process/checks and balances, made to seem defensible only because of unrealistic movie-protagonist ultracompetence. It's a worse case of Tom Clancy syndrome than the man himself ever did.

Sicario? Did we watch the same film? I mean sure, that's the content they are dealing with-- gratuitous violence and murder is entrenched in that world and they told a story in that world. As far as film-making and story-telling goes, Sicario will probably always be a top 50 if not top 20 film for me. Also encourage anyone to check out Villeneuve's older less known movies (most of course know Arrival and Blade Runner…

Might have meant Babel which is part of a trilogy?
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