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Stalking her daughter’s killers across Mexico, one by one

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Re: Stalking her daughter’s killers across Mexico, one by one

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Post by lazyasciiart »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #123
stickfigure wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is conspiracy theory nonsense. Consider what percentage of video cameras in public spaces function at all.

It’s 2020. Cheap, long lasting cameras are ubiquitous and easily available. A 40 year old CCTV camera in a subway station might be likely to not work, but I don’t see why that’s comparable to a camera for one of the highest profile prisoners in recent years. For $100, they could have even had 2 cameras for redundancy and no excuse.

Prisons are not much of a target for tech upgrades. Here’s a 2018 study from california on “what happens if we put surveillance cameras in the prison?” to give you an idea of the baseline. https://ucicorrections.seweb.uci.edu/files/2018/05/High-Dese...

Re: Stalking her daughter’s killers across Mexico, one by one

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Post by nso »

bobsil1 wrote: post #116
greesil wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a caucasian male, Narcos has made me want to visit Mexico and Colombia and eat yummy food. Reading the New York Times has made me scared of visiting Mexico. Colombia seems okay though.

Mexico City is absolutely swarming in federales, tourist areas seem pretty safe from major crime (though maybe not pickpockets).

I'd say it's one of the safer mayor citiew I've been, given that you stay in the touristy parts. Centro histórico, La Condesa, Roma, Polanco and similar. Worst thing that happened to me there was when me and some friends were wasted and cops tried to shake us down, but we told them to fuck off and they did.

Re: Stalking her daughter’s killers across Mexico, one by one

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Post by theonething »

ilaksh wrote: post #106

As someone who has been living in Mexico for a couple of years now to save money, these types of stories terrify me. I am seriously thinking of moving back to the United States. The only problem is that I cannot really afford to live there. I have some unresolved health issues and for many years have been working exclusively online because I could not handle commuting. But for me it has not been easy to find high-pay…

There are many places in the US where you can live quite comfortably for $2000 a month.

Re: Stalking her daughter’s killers across Mexico, one by one

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Post by Aerroon »

bigbubba wrote: post #112
jmcgough wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Organized crime exists in many places where it’s not funded by drug trade. Organized crime will likely never truly go away, but it has flourished because of the war on drugs (just as it did in America during the prohibition era).

Right, there is a keen difference between organized crime thriving or merely existing. That it would continue to exist misses the point.

There's also a difference in the way organized crime manifests itself. Kidnapping schemes can't really exist for organized crime in the developed countries. The state security forces would stomp them out too quickly.

Re: Stalking her daughter’s killers across Mexico, one by one

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Post by Aerroon »

lazyasciiart wrote: post #131
lotsofpulp wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s 2020. Cheap, long lasting cameras are ubiquitous and easily available. A 40 year old CCTV camera in a subway station might be likely to not work, but I don’t see why that’s comparable to a camera for one of the highest profile prisoners in recent years. For $100, they could have even had 2 cameras for redundancy and no excuse.

Prisons are not much of a target for tech upgrades. Here’s a 2018 study from california on “what happens if we put surveillance cameras in the prison?” to give you an idea of the baseline. https://ucicorrections.seweb.uci.edu/files/2018/05/High-Dese...

Then someone needs to be held responsible for this. Somebody is in charge of all of that and should face the consequences of their failure to fulfill their duties.

Re: Stalking her daughter’s killers across Mexico, one by one

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Post by ilaksh »

hellonoko wrote: post #129
ilaksh wrote: post #106

As someone who has been living in Mexico for a couple of years now to save money, these types of stories terrify me. I am seriously thinking of moving back to the United States. The only problem is that I cannot really afford to live there. I have some unresolved health issues and for many years have been working exclusively online because I could not handle commuting. But for me it has not been easy to find high-pay…

Is there a reason you are living in Tijuana and not... anywhere else in Mexico? I did a 5 month road trip through Mexico and there are so many cheap beautiful safe spots to live.

How do you know they were safer than my neighborhood in Tijuana? Where were they?

Re: Stalking her daughter’s killers across Mexico, one by one

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Post by ilaksh »

theonething wrote: post #133
ilaksh wrote: post #106

As someone who has been living in Mexico for a couple of years now to save money, these types of stories terrify me. I am seriously thinking of moving back to the United States. The only problem is that I cannot really afford to live there. I have some unresolved health issues and for many years have been working exclusively online because I could not handle commuting. But for me it has not been easy to find high-pay…

There are many places in the US where you can live quite comfortably for $2000 a month.

Such as?

Re: Stalking her daughter’s killers across Mexico, one by one

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Post by watermelon59 »

TrackerFF wrote: post #118

Used to date a girl from Honduras (Tegucigalpa), and heard some real horror stories about the day-to-day crime. One day a gang knocked on her parents door (they owned an apartment) and pretty much gave them a 2-day notice to get out. They packed their stuff, and left. Their senior neighbor did not - she ended up getting killed. Apparently gangs like that just seize apartments, and use them for criminal activities (pr…

Some areas of Brazil suffer from a lot of that too.

Day-to-day violent crime was the #1 reason that I wanted to leave the country.

Re: Stalking her daughter’s killers across Mexico, one by one

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Post by hellonoko »

ilaksh wrote: post #136
hellonoko wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a reason you are living in Tijuana and not... anywhere else in Mexico? I did a 5 month road trip through Mexico and there are so many cheap beautiful safe spots to live.

How do you know they were safer than my neighborhood in Tijuana? Where were they?

I suppose I can't say that I know with absolutely certainty that they were safer, but we would talk with locals and got a general feel for what places are more or less safe.

One explanation was that the cartel members have families too and keep the cities their families live in free or more free of that sort of trouble.

I would look into place like San Miguel De Allende, Valladolid, Puerto Escondito, Puerta Vallarta and the small villages north of it, Todos Santos, Oaxaca, San Cristobal De Las Casa. Guanajuato.

Have you looked into Costa Rica and Panama?

Re: Stalking her daughter’s killers across Mexico, one by one

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Post by rexpop »

TrackerFF wrote: post #118

Used to date a girl from Honduras (Tegucigalpa), and heard some real horror stories about the day-to-day crime. One day a gang knocked on her parents door (they owned an apartment) and pretty much gave them a 2-day notice to get out. They packed their stuff, and left. Their senior neighbor did not - she ended up getting killed. Apparently gangs like that just seize apartments, and use them for criminal activities (pr…

It's worth mentioning that the violence in Honduras is, in no small part, part of the US State Department's bipartisan foreign policy from which we benefit. Fast fashion, which Americans consume, is enabled by the precarious situations we've foist upon the Hondurans by destabilizing their government, and installing leadership sympathetic to our colonial interests. Your ex-girlfriend's uncle died for my t-shirt.

> Ten years ago, on June 28, 2009, a general trained at the U.S. Army School of the Americas arrived with troops at the home of the president of Honduras, Manuel Zelaya, and forced him at gunpoint onto a plane bound for Costa Rica. An interim president was appointed by his political opponents who was quickly legitimized by United States. — [The Hill](0)

> There was a 1950s-style coup in Honduras in 2009 backed by the government of the United States, and things appear to have been unremittingly messed up ever since. Let me emphasize this one more time. If Honduras is in shambles, it is not because Hondurans are any less resourceful or fundamentally decent than anyone else, or even because its rulers are any more wretched and callous than our own. It is because the structure of the North American economy has made any other outcome impossible. — [No Wall They Can Build](1)

- 0. https://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/foreign-policy/45046...

- 1. https://crimethinc.com/books/no-wall-they-can-build

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