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Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by bildung » Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 2:40 PM UTC

TMWNN wrote: post #632

bildung wrote: post #591

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Example for Germany: https://www.destatis.de/DE/Presse/Pressemitteilungen/2020/10... (German language) See the line chart at about the middle of the page, with three lines in black, blue and red. The chart shows net migration Germany USA. The red line shows German citizens only, black shows people formerly living in Germany, but without German citizen status. In 1998 there was peak in emigration to the US, but from t…

>See the line chart at about the middle of the page, with three lines in black, blue and red. The chart shows net migration Germany USA. The red line shows German citizens only, black shows people formerly living in Germany, but without German citizen status. In 1998 there was peak in emigration to the US, but from then on the trend moves towards net immigration from the US. Thank you for pointing me to the document.…

Thanks for the reply. I fully agree that the Trump framing is horrible, BTW, though it's hard to properly deep link to the data tables on that site. There was no intention to add spin to this discussion :)

Here is the raw data: https://www-genesis.destatis.de/genesis/online?operation=abr...

And: I dont' have an axe to grind here, I just objected to the notion that there is mass emigration from the EU to the USA, because I remembered the numbers for Germany.

What makes meaningful comparison of the numbers nontrivial are differing definitions.

Basis of the graphs are permanent movements away from or to Germany, so students and temp work are not included - https://www.destatis.de/DE/Themen/Gesellschaft-Umwelt/Bevoel... (sorry, everything German only).

Citizenship is probably a problematic category because it is quite hard to achieve citizenship in Germany. There a millions of persons being born in Germany that don't have citizenship. Compared to the USA, Germany has an essentially racist basis here, though it has been made easier in recent years (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_sanguinis).

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by mschuster91 » Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 2:45 PM UTC

Argish wrote: post #627

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> Europe leaders really need to wake up. Stop concentrating on immaterial issues, push for more competitive economy, lower taxes, less regulations I agree that our dear leaders have to wake up - but that is not the direction they should go at all. Our taxes are already so low that many countries have problems financing taking care of basic needs like healthcare. Less regulation? This will directly, and negatively , i…

Europe is resource hungry when it comes so social spending. Budgets are huge, and a lot of money is being spent. Some of that money is not even ours, it's just other people buying our debt. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_social_we... I do question myself sometimes how much longer this can be maintained. Our world is changing fast, and it's not like Europe is losing the game, it's that we are not e…

> Europe is resource hungry when it comes so social spending.

The alternative to that is becoming like the US: homeless people everywhere, people spreading illnesses (not just corona) at work because they can't take any sick days, people getting chronically ill or vastly worse side effects from untreated issues because they can't afford health insurance, people fearing eviction because losing their job.

All while the billionaires made an additional 800 billion in wealth.

> I do question myself sometimes how much longer this can be maintained.

We can maintain the status quo, but we need to tax the rich and international mega-corporations for that. It is unsustainable that the massive profits generated in Europe are siphoned off untaxed to "tax heavens" and foreign countries.

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Post by fmajid » Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 3:17 PM UTC

nixass wrote: post #427

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>>the English language can become the lingua franca with less resistance as it is no ones language(Well, there are the Irish but it's a small country). Malta also has English as an official language, though again, it's an even smaller country. On the other hand, in neither Ireland or Malta is English the "first" official language.

While Irish/Gaelic language is a thing it's mostly ceremonial and people on the street know it poorly, with no knowledge to even superficial conversation. Irish language has no use in Ireland. Even tho it is "official", it's useless

The British lawyers who rushed to get Irish qualifications so they could continue to practice in the EU were in for a rude awakening when they were told they had to physically reside in Éire and qualify in Gaelic, not just English.

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by nickpp » Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 3:29 PM UTC

GreenWatermelon wrote: post #548

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Health care is not free. You a large part of your income for it (and other things too). Not free, and not an excellent one either.

I believe everyone understands this. Still, as far as anyone is concerned, it's "free", as in, if I break leg I don't have go homeless, instead I just pay a small sum and get it fixed.

Your very description proves people do not understand this and calling it "free" is misleading and confusing.

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Post by GoblinSlayer » Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 4:05 PM UTC

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Do you have any references of English actually being phased-out in EU? The Politico article was written just a few days after the Brexit referendum, and 4 years later I can only take it for empty sabre-rattling.

Either make french or german the language of diplomacy wouldn't be the first time in history that was done.

Greek is the most iconic european language.

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Post by BlueTemplar » Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 4:16 PM UTC

birdsbirdsbirds wrote: post #376

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China CCP is a snake. Get in bed with them and they will bite you one day. It is just their nature. Apple will learn one day.

If you look at Apple's apple, you will notice that it is already bitten. It was not the snake, but Eve.

Wasn't it Alan Turing ? (Though I guess he's kind of an 'Eve' of computing...)

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Post by mhh__ » Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 4:20 PM UTC

fnord123 wrote: post #586

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I'm talking about China, like it vs the US. Edit: I've missed one "while" before they.

The US also has concentration camps.

But no organ-on-demand service

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 4:59 PM UTC

aweb wrote: post #41

LunaSea wrote: post #10

What will actually happen: some countries will spend a trivial amount of money in a PR stunt with not coordination between the countries and result in no advance for the EU countries participating. Source: All other industries in Europe.

Doesn't seem like that's the case for Airbus, ESA or CERN for instance. I agree that there's a lot of bureaucracy in Europe but still stuff gets done from time to time!

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Post by lorenzhs » Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 5:00 PM UTC

LunaSea wrote: post #149

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Doesn't seem like that's the case for Airbus, ESA or CERN for instance. I agree that there's a lot of bureaucracy in Europe but still stuff gets done from time to time!

For Airbus I would agree but ESA isn't on the same level as NASA and CERN is competitive but only in a field where there is no real reason to be competitive (no money is made).

NASA's budget is almost three times the size ($22.6bn vs €6.68bn, which is approximately $8bn). ESA gets quite a lot done per Euro invested. It's just really hard to convince the member nations to pay for a good PR team.

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Post by rossdavidh » Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 7:25 PM UTC

haspok wrote: post #602

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Europe has some successful international projects like CERN or Airbus. Besides, what are the other options? Europe is in this strange place where collectively account for enormous wealth and power but individually no country is a match to the big boys like USA/China when simultaneously are super unoptimised due to cultural/lingual differences. The younger Europeans I met were all very eager to learn English, so who k…

> The younger Europeans I met were all very eager to learn English... English IS the lingua franca in Europe, right now, at this moment, no question about it. Even the in remotest parts Generation Z and younger speak and understand a little bit, it is only the older folks who still remember the EU with borders are reluctant to speack anything else other than their own language. And there are more and more people pick…

As a native English speaker, I would just like to apologize to all those learning English (as a second language) about the spelling business. We're not really sure how we messed that up so badly. Even the American efforts to improve it actually just made the situation more complicated.