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Re: Former Tesla engineer sues for defamation

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Post by mixmastamyk »

ActorNightly wrote: post #140
buran77 wrote: post #95

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> she was let go That's a very "euphemistic" way of putting it. Kind of like putting someone in a wheel chair could be described as "allowing them to tackle different challenges". She was more than just let go, she was bullied, humiliated, demoted, threatened, retaliated against, and blackmailed among others. Evidence was tampered with, destroyed, or manufactured, along with quite the list of irregularities even judg…

>She was more than just let go, she was bullied, humiliated, demoted, threatened, retaliated against, and blackmailed among others. Evidence was tampered with, destroyed, or manufactured, along with quite the list of irregularities even judges observed. Real quick: all of this information exists in your head because of online articles. You haven't seen the full proof of this happening. Be careful of making conclusion…

A happy and competent friend of mine went to work for them in the HR department at SpaceX, and left a month later, things were that brutal. Later I took a short contact at TBM in curiosity, it was rather hardcore as well. Long story short, I tend to believe it.

Re: Former Tesla engineer sues for defamation

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Post by ActorNightly »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #141
ActorNightly wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>She was more than just let go, she was bullied, humiliated, demoted, threatened, retaliated against, and blackmailed among others. Evidence was tampered with, destroyed, or manufactured, along with quite the list of irregularities even judges observed. Real quick: all of this information exists in your head because of online articles. You haven't seen the full proof of this happening. Be careful of making conclusion…

A happy and competent friend of mine went to work for them in the HR department at SpaceX, and left a month later, things were that brutal. Later I took a short contact at TBM in curiosity, it was rather hardcore as well. Long story short, I tend to believe it.

Plenty of anecdotal examples to go around on both sides. Talk to anyone in FAANG, you will hear the same story.

Im just saying not to form hard conclusions on things unless you have pretty hard evidence available that presents a certain picture. Its too easy to fall into the trap of manufactured outrage.

Re: Former Tesla engineer sues for defamation

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Post by hnarn »

thanksforthe42 wrote: post #101
chimen wrote: post #74

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And a good engineer usually does not make a good salesperson. Starting a company does not make a good engineer better nor does it guarantee a better path in one's career. On the contrary I would dare say.

I've been called a good Engineer. All my companies I started failed. This hits close to home.

Luckily for you, there’s plenty of us stuck in other depts (technical sales, customer services) that still understand a lot of the technical stuff while being more used to working closely with customers. Try finding a company buddy, they might be closer than you think.

Re: Former Tesla engineer sues for defamation

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Post by mixmastamyk »

ActorNightly wrote: post #142
mixmastamyk wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A happy and competent friend of mine went to work for them in the HR department at SpaceX, and left a month later, things were that brutal. Later I took a short contact at TBM in curiosity, it was rather hardcore as well. Long story short, I tend to believe it.

Plenty of anecdotal examples to go around on both sides. Talk to anyone in FAANG, you will hear the same story. Im just saying not to form hard conclusions on things unless you have pretty hard evidence available that presents a certain picture. Its too easy to fall into the trap of manufactured outrage.

No outrage. Co culture is definitely a thing however.

Re: Former Tesla engineer sues for defamation

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Post by buran77 »

ActorNightly wrote: post #140
buran77 wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> she was let go That's a very "euphemistic" way of putting it. Kind of like putting someone in a wheel chair could be described as "allowing them to tackle different challenges". She was more than just let go, she was bullied, humiliated, demoted, threatened, retaliated against, and blackmailed among others. Evidence was tampered with, destroyed, or manufactured, along with quite the list of irregularities even judg…

>She was more than just let go, she was bullied, humiliated, demoted, threatened, retaliated against, and blackmailed among others. Evidence was tampered with, destroyed, or manufactured, along with quite the list of irregularities even judges observed. Real quick: all of this information exists in your head because of online articles. You haven't seen the full proof of this happening. Be careful of making conclusion…

> all of this information exists in your head because of online articles

And first person accounts from people I trust all confirming things along the same lines. On the other hand there are people defending Tesla or Musk because they genuinely haven't observed such issues but absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. In practically all such cases it just means they never got on the wrong side of your company or CEO. A company should never treat you like garbage because you pissed them off. Or ever.

Imagine sexual harassment cases where the vast majority of men will genuinely say they haven't witnessed any foul play. But it's clearly not a sign the issue doesn't exist, just that some people never got to see it.

Re: Former Tesla engineer sues for defamation

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Post by frereubu »

bambax wrote: post #119
bambax wrote: post #58

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Inadmissible in court, but you can always leak to the press and see what happens.

At the risk of attracting more downvotes, I persist. The problem with corporate malfeasance and bullying, of which Elon Musk seems to be a specialist, is that people are afraid to retaliate. We shouldn't be afraid. I personally sued big corporations, as an individual, two times, and won. Granted, this was in Europe, not the US, but the warnings and hand-waving of people telling me one should never do that were simila…

The point here was specifically about secretly recording converations in a jurisdiction where that is illegal. If you'd tried to use recordings like that in your two suits against big coporations, they would have been thrown out by the judge and you would have put yourself at risk of criminal prosecution into the bargain.

Re: Former Tesla engineer sues for defamation

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Post by hh3k0 »

fouldiplomacy wrote: post #138
hh3k0 wrote: post #14

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> Chicago is a great example of labor unions and how well they work out. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy

I loooove me some fallacies and biases. I work diligently everyday at work to avoid them. However; I think this is misplaced as a quick search of Chicago news will inform the reader that Ms. Lightfoot has her hands full trying to balance a budget while not crippling the city because of unions. There is no fallacy here, only truth that is uncomfortable to some.

> There is no fallacy here, only truth that is uncomfortable to some.

There is, though. And it is an association fallacy.

You wrote:

> Chicago is a great example of labor unions and how well they work out.

The error in your logic:

Premise: Chicago's labor unions are labor unions.

Premise: Chicago's labor unions are bad.

Your conclusion: Therefore, all labor unions are bad.

Re: Former Tesla engineer sues for defamation

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Post by 9HZZRfNlpR »

Traster wrote: post #109
clort wrote: post #10

There are lots of problems here and it seems to me that Tesla is being a bully. Cristina Balan has a fundraiser page, at https://www.gofundme.com/f/a86fmm-fighting-tesla-for-defamin... and there is some text there from her, setting out some facts as she has seen them.

Bullying is when I push you over and take your milk. Tesla isn't a bully, Tesla has been part of the corporate capture of the American legal system, the CEO can literally call you a pedofile and be found not guilty of libel. If you're not powerful enough you can't even get a lawyer to represent you.

Calling people rapists and pedos and getting a away with it is in my eyes very American.

Re: Former Tesla engineer sues for defamation

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Post by [deleted] »

ActorNightly wrote: post #139
clort wrote: post #10

There are lots of problems here and it seems to me that Tesla is being a bully. Cristina Balan has a fundraiser page, at https://www.gofundme.com/f/a86fmm-fighting-tesla-for-defamin... and there is some text there from her, setting out some facts as she has seen them.

I am of the opposite opinion. From seeing how the internet evolved from dial up days to what it is now, my initial reaction to any article written in a story-esque manner where the author tries to paint a certain bias with words like "unlighted, windowless room, draped in plastic, smelling of paint" is that its mostly just a very one sided account of things. Its very popular to hate on rich moguls and big companies t…

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Re: Former Tesla engineer sues for defamation

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Post by [deleted] »

justanotherhn wrote: post #98
chongli wrote: post #93

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I'm not sure why that's so amusing. The justice system only requires the judiciary to be impartial in order to serve the public good effectively. Plaintiffs and defendants can be as biased as they want. Terry Bollea (Hulk Hogan) successfully sued Gawker with the backing of investor Peter Thiel, who had a well-known grudge against them. That doesn't take away from the fact that Gawker grossly invaded people's privacy…

I find it amusing because they find someone who has some sort of a problem with tesla and make them the jesus of their crusade against that company. "How could Elon (or Tesla) have done this?" in order to sway public opinion. They did this with when the plant sabotage employee a few years back, the diver guy who Elon called a pedo and every self proclaimed "whistleblower" as far as I can remember from 2015 when this…

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