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Re: Former Tesla engineer sues for defamation

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Post by elihu »

giantg2 wrote: post #50
elihu wrote: post #41

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Legislation would be ideal, but in the absence of such legislation (such as the bill mentioned in the article to limit mandatory arbitration that was attempted in 2019 and passed the House but was never voted on in the Senate) unions still might be the best option in the short term.

Maybe. Unions can become corrupt or politically influenced too. In fact, organized labor is one of the main money makers for organized crime. I'm not saying all unions are bad, just that some can be. Just as any power structure like governments or company management can be too. I wonder if the major unions have banned together to get that bill introduced and voted on? It could be possible that they wouldn't support l…

I suspect the reason it didn't pass the Senate is that Republicans are in the majority there, and I can't imagine any union having much influence or leverage with Mitch McConnell to even convince him to hold a vote.

Re: Former Tesla engineer sues for defamation

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Post by gamblor956 »

pb7 wrote: post #113
Traster wrote: post #109

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Bullying is when I push you over and take your milk. Tesla isn't a bully, Tesla has been part of the corporate capture of the American legal system, the CEO can literally call you a pedofile and be found not guilty of libel. If you're not powerful enough you can't even get a lawyer to represent you.

Perhaps our legal system found that there is no evidence of libel and you are picking and choosing which legal decisions you agree with despite all being as part of the same system.

Edit: nevermind. They withdrew the UK case and the one that went to court was in the US.

Re: Former Tesla engineer sues for defamation

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Post by gamblor956 »

root_axis wrote: post #130
pb7 wrote: post #113

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Perhaps our legal system found that there is no evidence of libel and you are picking and choosing which legal decisions you agree with despite all being as part of the same system.

I'm no lawyer, but the fact that Elon got off on that just seems wrong. Elon's claims were completely made up and also specifically crafted to harm the victim's reputation with respect to the particular context of the accusation - baselessly labeling a man who risked his life to save children as a person that sexually abuses children. What a disgusting act. Elon is extremely famous, if that doesn't count as libel wha…

Elon's lawyers argued that it was clearly satire because it was so over the top he couldn't possible mean it, the same as when he made deliberate misrepresentations about selling the company in a naked attempt to manipulate stock prices.

Elon has very good lawyers.

Re: Former Tesla engineer sues for defamation

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Post by gamblor956 »

anchpop wrote: post #126
Traster wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bullying is when I push you over and take your milk. Tesla isn't a bully, Tesla has been part of the corporate capture of the American legal system, the CEO can literally call you a pedofile and be found not guilty of libel. If you're not powerful enough you can't even get a lawyer to represent you.

I'm actually unsure, is calling someone (let's say a private citizen rather an a celebrity) a pedophile based on flimsy reasoning illegal in the US?

It's considered "per se" defamation, meaning that the plaintiff only has to prove that the defamatory act occurred, not that any reputational harm actually resulted (the harm is presumed from the heinous nature of the defamatory statements).

Re: Former Tesla engineer sues for defamation

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Post by pb7 »

gamblor956 wrote: post #132
pb7 wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps our legal system found that there is no evidence of libel and you are picking and choosing which legal decisions you agree with despite all being as part of the same system.

Edit: nevermind. They withdrew the UK case and the one that went to court was in the US.

I'm not sure which case you're talking about. Trial was held in Los Angeles. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50695593

Re: Former Tesla engineer sues for defamation

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Post by fouldiplomacy »

dang wrote: post #54
fouldiplomacy wrote: post #4

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"showing how necessary labor unions are" Chicago is a great example of labor unions and how well they work out.

" Eschew flamebait. Don't introduce flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents. " https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html The GP comment stepped a foot over that line but this is crashing right through it. Please don't. We're trying for curious conversation here, not repetitive bashing.

I’ll attempt to “not flamewar” but you are being rather sensitive about this. A decent moderation is necessary but i fail to see any reason for the watchdogs to hate on my post.

Fact is Chicago is very much underwater because unions have gripped the city’s pension to the point that they cannot pass meaningful budget resolutions.

Unions had a place at the beginning of the industrial age for worker safety and reasonable wages. With OSHA and a long list of other laws, unions are largely outdated.

Please contribute something useful and not rules that are hardly being bent otherwise you are cluttering “curious conversations.”

Re: Former Tesla engineer sues for defamation

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Post by fouldiplomacy »

hh3k0 wrote: post #14
fouldiplomacy wrote: post #4

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"showing how necessary labor unions are" Chicago is a great example of labor unions and how well they work out.

> Chicago is a great example of labor unions and how well they work out. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy

I loooove me some fallacies and biases. I work diligently everyday at work to avoid them.

However; I think this is misplaced as a quick search of Chicago news will inform the reader that Ms. Lightfoot has her hands full trying to balance a budget while not crippling the city because of unions. There is no fallacy here, only truth that is uncomfortable to some.

Re: Former Tesla engineer sues for defamation

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Post by ActorNightly »

clort wrote: post #10

There are lots of problems here and it seems to me that Tesla is being a bully. Cristina Balan has a fundraiser page, at https://www.gofundme.com/f/a86fmm-fighting-tesla-for-defamin... and there is some text there from her, setting out some facts as she has seen them.

I am of the opposite opinion.

From seeing how the internet evolved from dial up days to what it is now, my initial reaction to any article written in a story-esque manner where the author tries to paint a certain bias with words like "unlighted, windowless room, draped in plastic, smelling of paint" is that its mostly just a very one sided account of things.

Its very popular to hate on rich moguls and big companies these days with the rise of online leftism rhetoric, and considering that most non subscription online media publication literally live or die by clicks, you should be suspect of them as much as you are of Tesla. Real factual stories with links are often very milquetoast and boring to read. Id imagine in this case it be something along the lines of "Tesla said this, Employee said this, we don't have proof of any of this stuff other than statements, so we don't know what really happened and likely never will"

For reference linked article here: http://deleter.net/index.php/news/5541/Business/September-11... paints a different picture of how the said employee acted.

It generally seems that the truth is most likely somewhere in between two extremes. Tesla is of course going to be corporate minded and not particularly care too much about employees, and its likely that the client in question is not fully guilt free either.

Re: Former Tesla engineer sues for defamation

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Post by ActorNightly »

buran77 wrote: post #95
cinbun8 wrote: post #80

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Recording internal meetings to raise an issue isn't the best way to deal with the situation. I'm not surprised she was let go. The company probably saw this as dangerous behavior.

> she was let go That's a very "euphemistic" way of putting it. Kind of like putting someone in a wheel chair could be described as "allowing them to tackle different challenges". She was more than just let go, she was bullied, humiliated, demoted, threatened, retaliated against, and blackmailed among others. Evidence was tampered with, destroyed, or manufactured, along with quite the list of irregularities even judg…

>She was more than just let go, she was bullied, humiliated, demoted, threatened, retaliated against, and blackmailed among others. Evidence was tampered with, destroyed, or manufactured, along with quite the list of irregularities even judges observed.

Real quick: all of this information exists in your head because of online articles. You haven't seen the full proof of this happening. Be careful of making conclusions based on stories rather than evidence.

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