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Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by mschuetz »

mamon wrote: post #473
mschuetz wrote: post #406

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> P.S: a lot of the young in Europe are learning english because they want to get the f--- out the EU as soon as they can. This is absolutely not true. English is tought in most schools simply because it's used worldwide. Also, most of the people I know are very happy to live here, and most who may have wanted to emmigrate to the US lost any desire to do so after the four years of Trump.

My experience is exactly the opposite: I was eager to emigrate during Trump term in the office, despite him making it difficult. Now that Biden has won, I know that emigration should become much easier, but it also became pointless.

It's not because immigration became harder - they are all MScs or PhDs, some even already did internships in the US, so moving shouldn't be hard. It's because we think that the US is no longer a desirable place to move to.

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by cma »

rossdavidh wrote: post #254

So, as someone who used to be an engineer in semiconductor manufacturing facilities, this reminds me a lot of Sematech. That was a joint venture between American companies in the 90's, when there was a concern that we were falling behind Japan. I'm sure there will be people who try to claim otherwise, but my view from inside AMD (at that time still doing its own manufacturing) was that nothing much ever came out of S…

Doesn't AMD mainly exist as it is because US military contracts had second source requirements imposed on Intel? There were lots of lawsuits and stuff as well hat went into their IP sharing, but that military stuff in some ways made Intel+AMD into a partially government-coordinated consortium.

The EU doesn't have a unified military in the same way as the states.

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Post by Glawen »

rakhodorkovsky wrote: post #519
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #491

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>Well they usually do it by compensating the employee quite heavily. Where outside of the US/UK does that happen? Never heard in Europe that you get paid more so you leave when they can boot you out for free and I talked to lawyers about this. The reasoning behind the generous safety nets in Europe is also to make it easier for employee-employer terminations in case it doesn't work out. The laws here are that employe…

In Germany it's common for larger, well performing companies to retire older, less productive employees by way of 'Abfindungsprogramm' - programs that offer these employees generous monetary compensation (up to ~2-5 annual salary) in exchange for them retiring early. I know of four people who took such an offer.

And I never understood why a company would do that

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by jmnicolas »

908B64B197 wrote: post #388
eldaisfish wrote: post #333

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>Considering the incredible education system and engineers we have, the 2 only things restraining Europe from reaching Silicon Valley level are corrupt politicians and risk-adverse VCs. I find it telling that it's mostly europeans who make these types of comments. The EU has tremendous barriers to labour mobility that most europeans don't even realise - differing bureaucracy and language being two of the most signifi…

> differing bureaucracy and language being two of the most significant It has never been cheaper and easier to operate in several languages. Seriously, translation and internationalization is as cheap as it can get (and most folks in Europe are at least bilinguals!). What they need to focus on is a unified marketplace and harmonized regulation. Now each tiny country has it's special snowflakes regulations (how to acc…

> and most folks in Europe are at least bilinguals!

It's mostly northern Europe. Try France, Italy, Spain then you will change your mind.

I'm French, where I work I'm the only one on 200 people that can take a phone call in English.

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Post by Rick1 »

mrDmrTmrJ wrote: post #513
pompeirules wrote: post #485

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> Do you have any references of English actually being phased-out in EU? It's not clear yet if it will be used in official documents after Brexit agreements will be signed, but UK was the only country who chose English as an official language. There's an hard requirement in EU to translate every official document in every language spoken in the EU, if English is not an official language, that requirement will cease t…

As an American, I was surprised by the amount of English education I encountered in European. Though the places I visited: Sweden, Rome, Greece, Netherlands, France, Spain, Vienna, Ukraine, Berlin all have above average levels. Do you see the Brexit changing this? Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language_in_Europe

Nope, not at all. The EU has essentially nothing to do with English being spoken Europe. Brexit is a legal matter.

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Post by Rick1 »

dragonelite wrote: post #455
m000 wrote: post #442

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Do you have any references of English actually being phased-out in EU? The Politico article was written just a few days after the Brexit referendum, and 4 years later I can only take it for empty sabre-rattling.

Either make french or german the language of diplomacy wouldn't be the first time in history that was done.

Legally it could be done, but not practically since English is the language we actually use to communicate.

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Post by toyg »

mrDmrTmrJ wrote: post #513
pompeirules wrote: post #485

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> Do you have any references of English actually being phased-out in EU? It's not clear yet if it will be used in official documents after Brexit agreements will be signed, but UK was the only country who chose English as an official language. There's an hard requirement in EU to translate every official document in every language spoken in the EU, if English is not an official language, that requirement will cease t…

As an American, I was surprised by the amount of English education I encountered in European. Though the places I visited: Sweden, Rome, Greece, Netherlands, France, Spain, Vienna, Ukraine, Berlin all have above average levels. Do you see the Brexit changing this? Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language_in_Europe

Nah, the amount of English education across Europe is a function of global business and cultural production (Hollywood and the internet). Those will not change even after Brexit.

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by toyg »

Bayart wrote: post #465
mrtksn wrote: post #330

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Europe has some successful international projects like CERN or Airbus. Besides, what are the other options? Europe is in this strange place where collectively account for enormous wealth and power but individually no country is a match to the big boys like USA/China when simultaneously are super unoptimised due to cultural/lingual differences. The younger Europeans I met were all very eager to learn English, so who k…

>maybe as the UK is out of the EU the English language can become the lingua franca I hope I die before that ever happens.

It is already effectively thus in practical terms, sorry to disappoint you. Any time two random Europeans meet and do not speak each other’s language, the first option they’ll reach for is basic English. There are very, very few localized exceptions (some Eastern Europeans will reach for German).
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