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Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by Rapzid »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #188
herodoturtle wrote: post #182

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> And before you bash Texas, its not perfect. But its pretty diverse, and it seems that folks with opposing viewpoints can still coexist here. I like that... Interesting point. It reminded me that in his past he has also left South Africa, and yet South Africa could also be described pretty accurately as "its not perfect. But its pretty diverse, and it seems that folks with opposing viewpoints can still coexist here.…

I've met quite a few people who moved out of South Africa to the US and UK, and the reason I was always given was something to do with the common advice being to not stop your car at night or at remote intersections lest you get carjacked or worse.

I've heard similar sentiments from Brazilians haha!

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by rayiner »

S_A_P wrote: post #158

Pretty interesting to see this move makes people so salty. There does seem to be a trend of people fleeing California, I dont know enough about the situation out there to comment on whether or not its valid. I suspect something must be going on for several high profile folks moving out. And before you bash Texas, its not perfect. But its pretty diverse, and it seems that folks with opposing viewpoints can still coexi…

People aren’t “fleeing” California per se, but the long-term trend across the board is people migrating to the sunbelt. California will probably lose House seats in this decade’s reapportionment. This trend has been going on for a very long time—and it’s in part why California itself happened in the first place. Bell Labs was in Manhattan and New Jersey. When Silicon Valley arose, California was a red state with low taxes, low regulation, and cheap land where you could build semiconductor factories easily. Virginia was the same way—the Dulles Tech corridor was farmland when I was growing up.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by rayiner »

techsupporter wrote: post #220
S_A_P wrote: post #158

Pretty interesting to see this move makes people so salty. There does seem to be a trend of people fleeing California, I dont know enough about the situation out there to comment on whether or not its valid. I suspect something must be going on for several high profile folks moving out. And before you bash Texas, its not perfect. But its pretty diverse, and it seems that folks with opposing viewpoints can still coexi…

My birth certificate says "Texas" across the top and people have been "fleeing California" to Texas for as long as I've been alive. There's nothing special about Musk; he just happens to be high-profile about it and managed to extract more from California before decamping to a "cheap" state than several of those who came before him. I disagree with your assessment that Texas has wide acceptance for opposing viewpoint…

I’m not gay, but I’m a brown guy with a beard. I was in Tyler last year and it was great. Super friendly people. Also, extremely diverse. More so in practice than I remember from visiting San Francisco. You actually see white and Latino people eating together at the same restaurant, not like in many coastal cities where the diversity is on paper but different groups mostly never intersect due to massive socioeconomic divides.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by lotsofpulp »

ekianjo wrote: post #892
lotsofpulp wrote: post #164

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Yes, perhaps also Texas regulations prohibiting marijuana, assisted suicide, proper sex education in public schools, no liquor permits for public traded companies, restrictions on mail in voting, etc.

You make it sound like restrictions on mail in voting is a bad thing.

Restrictions on mail in voting are a bad thing. See Washington state and Oregon for how voting should be done. They’re still missing ranked choice/star voting, though.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by dcolkitt »

SrslyJosh wrote: post #882
11thEarlOfMar wrote: post #96

I was on the edge of the same decision. This move by the new district attorney in LA is so far beyond the pale that if it's not rescinded soon, I am gone too: "NEW: L.A. County DA George Gascon has issued a directive to prosecutors that the following misdemeanors will be declined for prosecution, with exemptions. -Trespassing -Disturbing the peace -Driving without license -Prostitution -Resisting arrest" This is an a…

> They'd be attracted to municipalities that they know will not prosecute them. LOL, this makes as much sense as suggestions that members of $GROUP move to $STATE to achieve some political goal. Do you have any idea how vanishingly small the number of people who can actually just up and move somewhere is?

I doubt many explicitly pick their destination. But there's definitely a process of diffusion, where people are more likely to settle in jurisdictions amenable to their lifestyle and relocate when they're not. This is especially true for the largely transient community of petty criminals.

I can speak from personal experience here. Our local town had one of the toughest-on-vagrancy laws in the country. Then it go eviscerated in court, and the laws struck down. Without taking a position whether that was a good or bad thing, it's undeniable that the change was near instantaneous. Downtown became swarmed with aggressive panhandlers and park benches filled up with addicts on the nod.

It's not like the homeless in other cities were closely following the local court decisions, then strategically relocated. But by definition transient populations bounce around a lot. In previous times they might pass through before getting hassled, then thinking this place really harshes my mellow, then hightail it out of town. Now they show up, enjoy the good weather, panhandle off the tourists, don't get hassled by the cops, and what used to be a week-long residency turns into a year or two.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by rayiner »

techsupporter wrote: post #277
WillPostForFood wrote: post #245

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How long have you been out of Texas? I think we know people aren't coming to Texas to live in Tyler; They are moving to the cities, Dallas, Houston, Austin, San Antonio, which are all diverse, and have large gay communities. Even Tyler has changed. (old article, but still) https://www.advocate.com/society/activism/2009/09/29/gays-ta...

But that's rather my point: if you're living just in the larger metro areas, you're choosing to insulate yourself from the rampant discrimination and bigotry that, numerically, forms the bulk of the electorate and shape the cultural mindset. To be clear, that's not a bad thing that people make that choice; I would, were in that position. If Texas voters will finally vote in someone who is more like Ann Richards than…

> If Texas voters will finally vote in someone who is more like Ann Richards than Greg Abbott

If they’d only stop being bigoted and vote Democrat Texas would be a livable place!

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Post by soupson »

njharman wrote: post #318
S_A_P wrote: post #158

Pretty interesting to see this move makes people so salty. There does seem to be a trend of people fleeing California, I dont know enough about the situation out there to comment on whether or not its valid. I suspect something must be going on for several high profile folks moving out. And before you bash Texas, its not perfect. But its pretty diverse, and it seems that folks with opposing viewpoints can still coexi…

no texas is horrible, esp Austin. Please don't move here.

Austin used to be great, but is the music scene actually going to rebound?

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by thrav »

djur wrote: post #881
TMWNN wrote: post #873

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>Compare that to the dirty looks I got walking around SF in a Buck-ees hat that happened to be red. It bordered upon comedy. For those who doubt you, I ask them to ponder the following: Put on a "Make America Great Again" hat and walk through downtown Chicago, San Francisco, Ann Arbor, or Cambridge before or after election day 2016 (or 2020). Now, put on a "I'm With Her" or "Biden/Harris 2020" shirt and walk through…

You seem to think the answer to this is obvious, but it's sufficiently non-obvious to me that I don't even know which answer you're assuming.

Provo is full of overly polite Mormon families and BYU. They chose cartoonish examples of polite conservative locales to make their point.

There are plenty of conservative places that would be upset to see Harris / Biden attire. Look no further than the classic Top Gear episode with the Gay Pride car and the Clinton car driving through the south.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by nickthemagicman »

jayd16 wrote: post #137
nickthemagicman wrote: post #114

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Things are very different in Silicon Valley and in California now from the 90's when Musk was on the team that started Paypal. I think he might not want to be in the NEW California and Silicon Valley. I could spend a lot of time doing research and trying to figure out why... but things have changed somehow. I think the mass exodus of people from California kind of supports his decision. I think California has a negat…

Isn't Musk in LA?

He and his companies are all over.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by michael_rb »

aluminum96 wrote: post #773
S_A_P wrote: post #158

Pretty interesting to see this move makes people so salty. There does seem to be a trend of people fleeing California, I dont know enough about the situation out there to comment on whether or not its valid. I suspect something must be going on for several high profile folks moving out. And before you bash Texas, its not perfect. But its pretty diverse, and it seems that folks with opposing viewpoints can still coexi…

Having grown up gay in North Texas and then moved to California for college, I strenuously object to your assertion that "folks with opposing viewpoints can still coexist here." It's truly leaps and bounds more accepting for LGBT people in California than in North Texas.

Depends where in Texas and where in California no? If you grew up outside Bakersfield and then moved to Austin for college would the reverse not also be true?
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