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Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Genuine question - Has any major tech innovation/ product come out European industry (mainland EU) over the last couple of decades ? (not Academia) Their biggest tech companies are Spotify and Skype. That's pretty underwhelming given that Spotify's biggest innovations are in product development and Skype became a subsidiary of an American company within 2 years of its existence. Additionally, the 2 companies that see…

Antivirus software is quite strong in EU: Avast and AVG (acquired by Avast) come to mind.

Eset too

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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>Do you have any examples of large scale corruption inside EU? It doesn't happen with the one large corruption scheme taking all of the money. Its hundreds of small corruptions like a locust. Here is a fair and neutral attempt to catalog all the schemes in play: https://www.oecd.org/gov/ethics/prevention-fraud-corruption-... In return: Do you have an example of where the EU paid anywhere below 200% of industry standa…

> Turned out we had excluded big commercial labs from consideration because we had represenatites of the 'small artisinal labs' in our taskforce lobbying. Do u have a link to that story?

The original research came from FTM: https://www.ftm.nl/artikelen/vws-taaleis-duits-lab-testcapac...

https://www.ftm.nl/artikelen/coronatesten-belangen-arts-micr...

However, this stuff is paywalled by now.

https://nos.nl/nieuwsuur/artikel/2346643-testlabs-kunnen-wel...

Or, an easy video summary by Arjen Lubach (has english subtitles): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUx-kdbKQys

The lobbyist, part of the Outbreak Management Team, is Ann Vossen. And she argued from her experise that there should be specific requirements that effectively kept larger laboratories from being able to be suppliers. Ironically, the trick used was the Tower of Babel (pretending language differences could be a risk)

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Some people don't want to maintain the kind off dissonance required to turn a blind eye to the widespread failings and cruelty of American society. If I had to choose between going to sleep at night knowing that the people around me wouldn't be made bankrupt or homelessness should they have the misfortune of becoming sick, over circumstances where I was slightly more wealthy, but forced to justify all this, I'd choos…

There are millions of Americans working to help others, pushing for more socialist policies. But not everyone agrees, and in our country, you have the right to disagree and vote for who you want. I find the holier than thou attitude based on European insecurity quite entertaining. Europe is great - you don't have to denigrate other places. But don't doubt for a second how Europe got there - through colonial genocide.

> I find the holier than thou attitude based on European insecurity quite entertaining.

I’m an American and my sentiments are based on watching what this country has done to my working class friends and family. I’m glad those things don’t happen to people in Europe.

> But not everyone agrees, and in our country, you have the right to disagree and vote for who you want.

Just about every parliamentary democracy in Europe is more representative than the American system and nowhere near as corrupt.

> But don't doubt for a second how Europe got there - through colonial genocide.

Quite familiar with that history, as well as our own of chattel slavery and the genocide of indigenous people.

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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"if someone can suffer the US' shitty conditions, " So crap, that people around the world are fighting to get in, what for those jobs that pay 2-3x, and real exciting projects to work on, and for the most part people that actually don't care about your funny accent. It's unwise to discount one of the US's fundamental, perennial and systematic advantages as somehow a drawback. Like it or not - the US has been sucking…

You have to look which countries people are actually migrating from. Net migration to the US from the richer EU countries is about 0, i.e. about the same number of US citizens are moving into the EU as are moving from those EU countries into the US.

>Net migration to the US from the richer EU countries is about 0, i.e. about the same number of US citizens are moving into the EU as are moving from those EU countries into the US.

Not true. 10-17% of Canadian, British, Australian, and Swiss scientists move to the US. (https://np.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/37lgxg/the_...) These are percentages of all researchers, whether they emigrate anywhere or not. (By contrast, only 5% of US scientists leave theiir country.)

Among the general population, there are 824,000 Britons living in the US, compared to 159,000 Americans living in Britain. Given that the US's population is about five times that of Britain's, that means that on a per-capita basis a Briton is 25 times more likely to move to the US than an American is to move to Britain.

Of course fewer Europeans migrate to the US than in the 19th and early 20th centuries, or compared to Latin American countries today, but they still come and the net flows are still considerably in the US's favor. There are 1.2 million German-born people living in the US, for example, versus only 150,000 American-born people living in Germany, although the US has four times Germany's population. Sweden and Norway? 15,000 Americans in each, compared to 54,000 Swedes and 36,000 Norwegians in the US. Sweden has 10 million people—the size of Los Angeles County—so there would have to be 1.62 million Americans living there to match those going the other way on a per-capita basis. There are 49,000 Swiss born in the US, compared to 24,000 American born in Switzerland. The US's population is about 37 times larger, so a Swiss is 75 times more likely to move to the US than the other way around. There are 71,000 people born in Austria living in the US compared to 7,700 Americans in Austria, implying that an Austrian is more than 300 times (!) more likely to move to the US.

Same with non-European countries; for example, 945,000 Canadians in the US versus 279,000 Americans in Canada. Since the US's population is nine times that of Canada's, on a per-capita basis a Canadian is 27 times more likely to move to the US than the other way around. Yes, the US has a nicer climate than Canada, but this is consistent with other Anglosphere countries; 75,000 Australians and 26,000 New Zealanders are in the US compared to 54,000 Americans in Australia and 13,000 in New Zealand, respectively, so on a per-capita basis Australians are about 20 times more likely to move to the US and New Zealanders an amazing 140 times. Etc., etc.

(All data comes from Migration DRC (http://www.migrationdrc.org/research/typesofmigration/global... see table 4. Military forces are excluded. A less-detailed graphical version (http://migrationsmap.net/#/USA/arrivals) is also available.)

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Most competitive chips in the world are produced by machines made in the Netherlands at ASMI/ASML The US companies do what they do best: innovate business models and find ways to vendor lock in and own the market. But who's been doing all the research keeping moore's law alive? Lithography? For a country as small as the Netherlands, you can wonder if we could afford from a geopolitical point of view to be producing a…

ASML is heavily reliant on the IP of Cymer an American company they bought in the last decade. And a great deal of their R&D is in the US, including things like software, measurement systems and sensors, robotics and automation, and so forth. What the US does best is quietly prop up international companies like ASML (and ARM, whose texas R&D center has been the leader for years) that wouldn't be able to hack it on th…

In addition to Cymer, ASML a big R&D and manufacturing footprint in Wilton Connecticut.

Semiconductor manufacturing is really a global effort -- most device makers have fabs full of equipment mostly from US, European and Japanese suppliers. Korean equipment suppliers are also becoming more prevalent. Chinese suppliers are starting to try to gain some market share as well.

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Europe has actually been rather successful with IMEC, their semiconductor research organization.

The issue is that it hasn't translated into local production fabs. Which means that the semiconductor ecosystems in Belgium is still really small. IMEC's research mainly benefits companies like Intel, Samsung, TSMC. The only relatively local link is ASML.

You're right that it hasn't translated into advanced "More Moore" logic, but Europe does have some leading technology in the "More than Moore" space - power electronics, image sensors, etc.

Staying up to date on leading edge logic is crazy expensive.

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Free healthcare, somehow reasonable housing prices outside of huge city centers, proximity to elderly parents, generally higher quality of life, to name few reasons.

Health care is not free. You a large part of your income for it (and other things too). Not free, and not an excellent one either.

I believe everyone understands this. Still, as far as anyone is concerned, it's "free", as in, if I break leg I don't have go homeless, instead I just pay a small sum and get it fixed.

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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>major tech innovation 25% of the worlds research is done in the EU and a lot of that leads to something. Sounds to me like you look for software for the average Windows user only. ESA and CERN alone leads to huge innovations.

Sorry for the lazy question, but how does anything from CERN lead to new products or services?

The lazy answer is ofcourse that they made something useful and then shared it with others. Have you heard of http? Maybe you've heard of x-rays or electrons being used for imaging?

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Genuine question - Has any major tech innovation/ product come out European industry (mainland EU) over the last couple of decades ? (not Academia) Their biggest tech companies are Spotify and Skype. That's pretty underwhelming given that Spotify's biggest innovations are in product development and Skype became a subsidiary of an American company within 2 years of its existence. Additionally, the 2 companies that see…

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