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DoorDash from Application to IPO

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Re: DoorDash from Application to IPO

#151

This is one of the scammiest companies to ipo in a while. They're dumping shitty stock on the public and doordash will never, ever make a profit. The way they handle tips should be illegal.

Doordash stopped doing the tipping thing over a year ago https://blog.doordash.com/working-to-strike-a-better-balance...

Re: DoorDash from Application to IPO

#152

The dichotomy between this massive IPO making the founding team and investors rich and local restaurants shuttering in record numbers (partly due to losing 25% off the top to DD with no other options) is startling. A small case study on how inequality is growing in our country and tech like this is pouring fuel on the fire

> A small case study on how inequality .. Can you please explain this to me? Inequality of ... what? Opportunity or outcome?

Distribution of wealth.

Re: DoorDash from Application to IPO

#153

The dichotomy between this massive IPO making the founding team and investors rich and local restaurants shuttering in record numbers (partly due to losing 25% off the top to DD with no other options) is startling. A small case study on how inequality is growing in our country and tech like this is pouring fuel on the fire

> A small case study on how inequality .. Can you please explain this to me? Inequality of ... what? Opportunity or outcome?

Seems to me that it's both. I don't see VCs pouring billions in investments into new restaurants.

Re: DoorDash from Application to IPO

#154

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Can't wait for more reasonable platforms to take over. I'd rather have some clarity and honesty than a stack of sneaky fee and not knowing who gets paid what. I have been pretty much only doing pick up orders (from the restaurant's site) since the whole tip stealing debacle. I know that some people would like jobs in the delivery space for flexibility and extra income but it seems too dishonest of a space for me to c…

I'm not sure I expect much to change. There's an insane amount of competition in this space, and they all seem to fall prey to the same dark patterns and mediocre execution. I'm starting to question whether any company can successfully squeeze into the already extremely tight margins that restaurants operate in without increasing the cost to the consumer in some way.

It'll probably take a crash and burn of a few big names with VCs being very careful about any new company in that space. I could see something come up that'd be bootstrapped and just slowly gain business in a big metro area before becoming a "thing". Def going to remain a low margin business though so it won't be easy to make it healthy

Re: DoorDash from Application to IPO

#155

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> A small case study on how inequality .. Can you please explain this to me? Inequality of ... what? Opportunity or outcome?

Seems to me that it's both. I don't see VCs pouring billions in investments into new restaurants.

Seems like some people are more interested in using Doordash than getting the food from the restaurants directly. I think that Doordash provides a useful service that was not as present or not as good previously. What do you think?

Re: DoorDash from Application to IPO

#156

My 2 cts on the long term play of Doordash: The long term trend is that (primarily take-out) restaurants will decline and be replaced by ghost kitchens. The unit economics of ghost kitchens is much better than paying rent for prime real estate. You can run a ghost kitchen from a warehouse. This trend was already underway before covid [1] (see also Travis Kalanick's investments in this space) but has been 10x accelera…

It is not just about eating but about being at a place.

Re: DoorDash from Application to IPO

#157

The dichotomy between this massive IPO making the founding team and investors rich and local restaurants shuttering in record numbers (partly due to losing 25% off the top to DD with no other options) is startling. A small case study on how inequality is growing in our country and tech like this is pouring fuel on the fire

> A small case study on how inequality .. Can you please explain this to me? Inequality of ... what? Opportunity or outcome?

Small group of people (investors and early employees) pull in a ton of money while a big group of people (restaurant owners and employees) face worse economic outcomes.

Similarly, private mkt investors get insane outcomes while retail investors end up buying at peak prices and less information.

I'm not saying what DD did was unfair or unethical. We're just moving quickly to a very unequal society and this is a small ex of how that's happening

Re: DoorDash from Application to IPO

#158

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> A small case study on how inequality .. Can you please explain this to me? Inequality of ... what? Opportunity or outcome?

Small group of people (investors and early employees) pull in a ton of money while a big group of people (restaurant owners and employees) face worse economic outcomes. Similarly, private mkt investors get insane outcomes while retail investors end up buying at peak prices and less information. I'm not saying what DD did was unfair or unethical. We're just moving quickly to a very unequal society and this is a small…

Thank you for the explanation, so ok inequality of outcomes, but not inequality of opportunity.

2 more questions:

1. How is this a "problem"? 2. How would you go about solving it?

Re: DoorDash from Application to IPO

#159

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I like how the drivers are always depicted as underpaid yet... they flock to the app! If it paid more to have a minimum wage job, why are there so many drivers on the platform?

Drivers can easily put in consistent overtime which is harder to do at a traditional job. Removing some of the friction of overworking themselves while giving the illusion of choice. Migrant workers consistently show up at farms too; it doesn't mean they're paid well.

The reason migrant workers pick ("pick") farms is because they legally can't work anywhere else.

Uber/DD/Postmates/... all do citizen verification checks.

Re: DoorDash from Application to IPO

#160

My 2 cts on the long term play of Doordash: The long term trend is that (primarily take-out) restaurants will decline and be replaced by ghost kitchens. The unit economics of ghost kitchens is much better than paying rent for prime real estate. You can run a ghost kitchen from a warehouse. This trend was already underway before covid [1] (see also Travis Kalanick's investments in this space) but has been 10x accelera…

+1

The market for cheap delivered food is much larger than sit down restaurants.

Covid just make more of the population comfortable with apps.

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