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Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by southeastern »

manigandham wrote: post #506
S_A_P wrote: post #158

Pretty interesting to see this move makes people so salty. There does seem to be a trend of people fleeing California, I dont know enough about the situation out there to comment on whether or not its valid. I suspect something must be going on for several high profile folks moving out. And before you bash Texas, its not perfect. But its pretty diverse, and it seems that folks with opposing viewpoints can still coexi…

The state has gone downhill on every metric possible. People can't name even 5 things that have improved over the past decade. Taxes, infrastructure, homeless, rent/housing, cost of living, gas, traffic, smog and pollution, crime, illegal immigration, gangs, fires, droughts, private property issues, local govt gridlock and deficiency, and now the weather isn't great either. Unfortunately many of those leaving don't r…

The tech industry? It's funny that HN is forgetting about that. Don't forget that many Texans would hate these "silicon valley tech nerds that love to censor trump". Not my words but the words of huge swaths of America. If the doubt that just ask thedonald.win. They want your money but not your opinions

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by J0_k3r »

chillwaves wrote: post #386
Darmody wrote: post #208

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Far-right aka everybody who's not a democrat.

The Democratic party is a center-right party. If you are further to the right of them, you are far-right.

No they're not. You don't define the overton window, society does. I'm right of the democrats but I'm not far right, that's the society we live in.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by dctoedt »

MisterBastahrd wrote: post #513
dctoedt wrote: post #448

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> how do states like Texas, Florida, etc. get by without taxing income? Do they not need that money for their operations? Sales tax and property tax. > What is the difference between their government and California's? Houstonian* here — Texas doesn't provide nearly the level of social services. * I saw a post recently where someone said "I'm from Houston, not from Texas."

Houston, unlike the rest of Texas, has a strong Louisiana influence stretching back generations because of the shared oil and gas economy, and was enhanced by immigration and outflow from New Orleans by Katrina in 2005.

Hmm; apart from restaurants, I'm not sure many Houstonians would agree that Houston has "a strong Louisiana influence stretching back generations" — if anything we'd probably say it's the other way around (but then that might be just local boosterism).

As to Hurricane Katrina: We took in about 250K evacuees but only about 40K stayed permanently (which is a bunch, of course). I'd guess most of those were the sort who liked being here better, so they made lemonade out of the lemons that the storm forced upon them. [0]

[0] https://www.fastcompany.com/40460412/after-hurricane-harvey-...

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by themaninthedark »

11thEarlOfMar wrote: post #96

I was on the edge of the same decision. This move by the new district attorney in LA is so far beyond the pale that if it's not rescinded soon, I am gone too: "NEW: L.A. County DA George Gascon has issued a directive to prosecutors that the following misdemeanors will be declined for prosecution, with exemptions. -Trespassing -Disturbing the peace -Driving without license -Prostitution -Resisting arrest" This is an a…

I like that CA has legalized marijuana but still criminalized prostitution.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by JamesBarney »

omgwtfbyobbq wrote: post #649
woah wrote: post #584

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You are quite simply wrong. Here is a map showing how next door neighbors frequently have a 10x difference in property taxes paid on equivalent dwellings: https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/map-bay-area-property-ta...

You're both right. Property taxes can increase by up to 2% per year, and new owners frequently pay far more than old owners because property has appreciated significantly in coastal metros with limited space for new construction. This had been especially obvious because historically low interest rates have enabled a lot of asset appreciation, with real estate being one example. High real estate prices lead to high pr…

1. You're implying that increased housing density makes it harder to find infrastructure. This is just false since high density makes infrastructure cheaper per person.

2. Why should it be the developers jobs to build out new infrastructure that isn't directly needed by their building. It's their job to build housing which brings people, those people bring taxes and those taxes pay for upgrades to infrastructure.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by bumby »

glitchc wrote: post #548
s1artibartfast wrote: post #330

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The average income in California 25% higher than Texas (60k vs 48k), but taxes and costs are more than 25% higher in California. The typical home value of homes in California is $599,159. [1] The typical home value of homes in Texas is $224,065 California sales tax rate of 7.25% is higher than that of any other state, and its top marginal income tax rate of 13.3% is the highest state income tax rate in the country. T…

I do not doubt or dispute that Texas is cheaper to live in. It was the "significant" quality of life for children statement struck me as a red flag. It's a form of WASP signaling I've seen many times before (I may be a WASP too...) It's a particularly egregious statement given that people the world over (myself included) would love to retire in California some day due to the wonderful weather, the abundance of high-q…

I downvoted because you seemed to lump multiple items together assuming they are a universal bad (poor social safety net, open-carry, variation in schooling). I'd prefer you be more specific rather than losing your point in broad assumptions

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Post by J0_k3r »

scop wrote: post #195
itbeho wrote: post #183

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At last count I've had 14 friends move out of California in the last 3 years. All of them middle class. The biggest reasons given are cost of living and quality of life and education for their kids.

We will be moving out of CA in the coming months. We are lifelong residents. We are leaving due to cost of living and especially quality of life for our children.

you better vote red so your new state doesn't end up california 2.0

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Post by inchoa »

blntechie wrote: post #714
fortran77 wrote: post #577

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> while old residents pay nothing This is patently false. Property taxes can and do raise 2%/year. California does need to build new housing.

It’s simply amazing how allowing to build 50 high rise condos would bring the entire bubble down but the CA (or most American) cities or the state won’t. It will obviously fail on the ballot due to NIMBYism but I’m not sure why would that even need to be on ballot.

It doesn't go on the ballot directly, it goes on the ballot in the form of voting in local city officials (specifically the city council) who set the zoning laws/rules.

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Post by warkdarrior »

itsoktocry wrote: post #206
dimitrios1 wrote: post #52

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Nothing in comparison to what states offered. Giving businesses subsidies to attract more employers isn't anything unique to California.

> Nothing in comparison to what states offered. For the factories, maybe. What about the rebate to car purchasers for many years, making California Tesla's biggest market? That is substantial.

California changed their EV rebate rules in Dec. 2019, instating an MSRP cap of $60,000. Many (most?) Tesla cars cost more than $60,000 so Tesla buyers will not get the CA EV rebate.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by bumby »

pchristensen wrote: post #317
glitchc wrote: post #252

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This doesn't make any sense. Why is the quality of life poorer in California compared to Texas when California has: Better schools across all grades, better universities and better weather? Perhaps there are other factors? Do demographics play a role perchance? From Wikipedia: 1) According to 2018 US Census Bureau estimates, California's population was 59.5% White (36.6% Non-Hispanic White), 14.7% Asian, 13.8% Some O…

I moved from the Bay Area (lived there 2 years) to Seattle (well, Bellevue) a few years ago. I had two elementary schoolers and a toddler. The main reason was that although I was paid fairly well, we would never be able to buy a house. So every year was a race between my raise and rent increases. We lived in a pretty decent school district, but it was difficult to move with in the same district, let alone the same sc…

I know it's natural to want to optimize for your child's school, but doesn't most evidence show that your child's school is only marginally predictive of attainment? The fact that you care so much to optimize for them might be self-selecting because your concerned/aware/have the resources to help in other ways.
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