Elon Musk moves to Texas • Hacker News Board

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by Helloworldboy » Wed, Dec 09, 2020, 10:17 PM UTC

bigmattystyles wrote: post #697

Cool - benefit from all CA / Silicon Valley has to offer to establish yourself beyond anyone's wildest dreams then leave. Are there problems with CA? Of course! They're obvious and don't have any easy solutions. But he's actually in a position, if nothing else than his tax contribution, to make a difference. With regards to regulation, yea, when you have to comply with regulations that seem onerous, I get it, but it'…

What does CA/Silicon Valley have to offer? There are talented engineers all over the country

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by erik_landerholm » Wed, Dec 09, 2020, 10:17 PM UTC

S_A_P wrote: post #158

Pretty interesting to see this move makes people so salty. There does seem to be a trend of people fleeing California, I dont know enough about the situation out there to comment on whether or not its valid. I suspect something must be going on for several high profile folks moving out. And before you bash Texas, its not perfect. But its pretty diverse, and it seems that folks with opposing viewpoints can still coexi…

Lived there for 4 years, your last couple of sentences made me laugh. People would drop racist statements in conversation as if it was normal, and I guess it was for most people, but not for me, coming for Portland and now living in LA.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by mbesto » Wed, Dec 09, 2020, 10:18 PM UTC

S_A_P wrote: post #158

Pretty interesting to see this move makes people so salty. There does seem to be a trend of people fleeing California, I dont know enough about the situation out there to comment on whether or not its valid. I suspect something must be going on for several high profile folks moving out. And before you bash Texas, its not perfect. But its pretty diverse, and it seems that folks with opposing viewpoints can still coexi…

> But its pretty diverse, and it seems that folks with opposing viewpoints can still coexist here.

I think you're talking about Dallas/Houston/Austin vs everything else. I actually wouldn't necessarily call that diverse, it's in fact polarizing, but that's okay.

At the end of the day, no one in Texas really cares because the economy is strong and people's assets are going up. Until that stops (and it will eventually, like California) then thats where the divisiveness is going to be a problem.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by amanaplanacanal » Wed, Dec 09, 2020, 10:18 PM UTC

gowld wrote: post #643

JPKab wrote: post #547

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Your onto something, and I think another crucial detail is that the small, southern town I grew up in is more tolerant of gay folks now than the vast majority of big cities were 20 years ago. There's been such a massive shift in tolerance towards gay humans across the entire culture that comparing any place I go to NOW vs where I grew up WHEN I was a kid is a massive difference. Compared to 2020 Anywhere, 2000 Anywhe…

Then why is homophobia still a winning campaign platform in so many states?

Probably not very many places, but transphobia still has quite a bit of traction.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by chillwaves » Wed, Dec 09, 2020, 10:19 PM UTC

nickik wrote: post #533

Darmody wrote: post #425

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I'm going to reply with a comment I made an hour ago. "The far-left managed to create an "amazing" (and terrifying) perspective. If you're a leftist but not as leftist as them, you're a centrist, maybe even center-right which makes everybody on the right to be automatically far-right."

That is literally how the world neoliberalism got created. It has some very limited academic use before then but basically exploded in usage. When center leftists started to embrace free trade and things like that. So basically anybody not on the left fringe was label a neoliberalist, all the way from Clinton to Milton Friedman. You can make it really easy if you just throw everybody in the same bucket and label it e…

Neoliberalism is based on economic policy position. Your lack of understanding of the term doesn't mean people are using it incorrectly.

It does have a meaning.

> Neoliberalism is contemporarily used to refer to market-oriented reform policies such as "eliminating price controls, deregulating capital markets, lowering trade barriers" and reducing, especially through privatization and austerity, state influence in the economy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism

So disheartening to see this low quality of discourse on HN.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by selimthegrim » Wed, Dec 09, 2020, 10:19 PM UTC

setpatchaddress wrote: post #345

_0w8t wrote: post #204

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Few reasons to leave California - https://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2020/09/12/leaving-the-ba...

"Nothing works in California; it is “failed state” tier. It is also a preview of the national dystopia to come if California isn’t sawed off and left to drift off to sea in a Calexit. It is either that, give it back to Mexico, or a war of extermination -nothing less will save us from the nightmarish California Dream. The Bay Area has nice weather, and some interesting people live there out of what I assume is inertia…

Well he posts on HN so I am sure he can respond to criticism personally

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by southeastern » Wed, Dec 09, 2020, 10:20 PM UTC

atomi wrote: post #138

cma wrote: post #133

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He got something like $180 million from California for the faked/minimal battery swap effort alone. Basically $180 million to make this commercial and a couple scrapped demo stations: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5V0vL3nnHY

HN is not immune to political biases especially when it comes to taxes. Nobody likes taxes and if you can either avoid them or recoup them through subsidies it makes you "smart."

You make it sound like they don't argue their hardest that it's destructive to the economy, and not that they just don't like it. Yes HN is susceptible bias and no that's not okay. This idea that we just have to be relegated to accepting bad ideas cuz everyone wants to do it is.. dangerous.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by mbesto » Wed, Dec 09, 2020, 10:20 PM UTC

jdbernard wrote: post #458

nrmitchi wrote: post #422

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It also disproportionately impacts mid-tier earners. Ie, those who earn enough to own their home, but still have it make up a significant portion of their net worth. Someone making 100k/year, and making 1M/year, both living in 400k houses (not uncommon in the Austin area), will be paying the dollar-amount in tax. Ie, a high property tax and low income tax is very regressive.

Wait a minute, where are all these $400k homes you're finding in Austin? I thought those disappeared about 5 years ago... Joking aside, it wouldn't surprise me if $400k was close to the median price for homes within the city limits.

Funny enough $400k is pretty spot on: https://www.zillow.com/austin-tx/home-values/

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by not2b » Wed, Dec 09, 2020, 10:22 PM UTC

officeplant wrote: post #606

nemo wrote: post #517

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I live in TX. I am very, very careful when I'm out in the sticks since the shitkickers are dangerous. I also lived in CA and even in the sticks out in central CA there's just nothing like the scale of xenophobic belligerence in rural TX (or the rest of the Bible Belt).

It can be surprising. Hell I'm from Louisiana and find it funny that people are just discovering how much White Supremacy took off in some places like the North West US. They somehow think we kept it all contained here for the last 120 years.

The Pacific Northwest has had a problem with right wing extremism (skinheads, neo-Nazis) for decades, and the polarization between left-wing cities and right-wing rural areas is particularly extreme in Oregon.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by CamperBob2 » Wed, Dec 09, 2020, 10:24 PM UTC

JPKab wrote: post #547

mrits wrote: post #378

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I grew up in Tyler but have lived in Austin for 15 years. I don't mean to be argumentative but you seem to be comparing Small town Texas with "Big City" California. I've vacationed in smaller towns in California and the conservative nature of those areas remind me a lot of Tyler,Texas.

Your onto something, and I think another crucial detail is that the small, southern town I grew up in is more tolerant of gay folks now than the vast majority of big cities were 20 years ago. There's been such a massive shift in tolerance towards gay humans across the entire culture that comparing any place I go to NOW vs where I grew up WHEN I was a kid is a massive difference. Compared to 2020 Anywhere, 2000 Anywhe…

In general that's true, but there are some specific exceptions that are worth remembering. Houston, for example, has always been unusually gay-friendly by Texas standards.