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Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by stanford_labrat »

scop wrote: post #361
JKCalhoun wrote: post #298

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, you and poster you're replying to mention "quality of life". What does that mean? A cynic would see this as a dog-whistle for "too many Asians/Hispanics/foreigners". (And I have actually heard a white person here in California say that about the schools.) I suspect though you mean something else.

See my reply on a parallel comment. I will be moving to a more diverse area. It's remarkable how "I don't like the Bay Area" translates so easily to "racist dogwhistle". Quality of life means things like: - "there are children in my neighborhood" - "I don't need to keep looking over my shoulder at the playground with my children" - "I can get a 15-yr mortgage on a house that is 2000 sqft, be financially stable, and s…

I don't think many people are attempting to raise children in SF proper, where this anecdote takes place, but walking into a safeway parking lot and having to dodge used needles is not what I would call high quality of life.

Although in all fairness, I am not aware of the drug situation in other parts of the country.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by nrmitchi »

WillPostForFood wrote: post #272
o-__-o wrote: post #211

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> where the pensioners have almost entirely moved out of New Jersey to avoid the same taxes. (Income) Tax free Texas sounds good right about now!

Texas is a no income tax, but moderately high property tax state. That's good when you are making money, but can be hard when you retire: low income, high tax on your house.

It also disproportionately impacts mid-tier earners. Ie, those who earn enough to own their home, but still have it make up a significant portion of their net worth.

Someone making 100k/year, and making 1M/year, both living in 400k houses (not uncommon in the Austin area), will be paying the dollar-amount in tax.

Ie, a high property tax and low income tax is very regressive.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by reaperducer »

techsupporter wrote: post #220
S_A_P wrote: post #158

Pretty interesting to see this move makes people so salty. There does seem to be a trend of people fleeing California, I dont know enough about the situation out there to comment on whether or not its valid. I suspect something must be going on for several high profile folks moving out. And before you bash Texas, its not perfect. But its pretty diverse, and it seems that folks with opposing viewpoints can still coexi…

My birth certificate says "Texas" across the top and people have been "fleeing California" to Texas for as long as I've been alive. There's nothing special about Musk; he just happens to be high-profile about it and managed to extract more from California before decamping to a "cheap" state than several of those who came before him. I disagree with your assessment that Texas has wide acceptance for opposing viewpoint…

I disagree with your assessment that Texas has wide acceptance for opposing viewpoints, at least out in the suburbs where I grew up.

The Texas you grew up in is not the same as Texas today. Places change. People change. Look at a county-by-county map of the election results.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by Darmody »

chillwaves wrote: post #386
Darmody wrote: post #208

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Far-right aka everybody who's not a democrat.

The Democratic party is a center-right party. If you are further to the right of them, you are far-right.

I'm going to reply with a comment I made an hour ago.

"The far-left managed to create an "amazing" (and terrifying) perspective.

If you're a leftist but not as leftist as them, you're a centrist, maybe even center-right which makes everybody on the right to be automatically far-right."

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by toast0 »

hyperrail wrote: post #396
toast0 wrote: post #284

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If you have RSUs that were in while you were working in California or a resident of California, the Franchise Tax Board claims a portion of the income as California source when (if) they finally vest. That could be years later, when you're no longer a resident. If you move from California to another country, and are subject to US Federal Income tax, and don't qualify for an exemption, the Franchise Tax Board still co…

> If you move from California to another country, and are subject to US Federal Income tax, and don't qualify for an exemption, the Franchise Tax Board still considers you a resident of the state, and as such, taxes you on your worldwide income; as you did not end your residency by establishing residency in another state. While this is strictly correct, I think the implications of what you wrote are too strong. If yo…

Thanks! I hadn't seen the FTB guidance for example 5. I think the tricky bit comes when you plan to live in another country for an indefinite period of at least several years, but not forever (and without any specific return state in mind), and keep a storage unit (in California) with some stuff that you want to keep, but don't want to move to another country because of the expense.

FTB can use 'has a storage unit in California' as a factor; and maybe combined with California banks and California voting, and maybe a California mailing address, if you use friends/family to forward your mail, could be enough to tip the scales for them. It's rather opaque.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by boogies »

jacobolus wrote: post #416
boogies wrote: post #360

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> Better schools across all grades [citation needed] When I type “california public schools” into DuckDuckGo, the top suggestion is “california public schools bad.” Accepting this, the top three results are: ① “California schools were once the nation's envy. What went wrong?” > The enormous strike in Los Angeles paints a grim picture of wealthy state that is struggling to fund its education system https://www.theguar…

California funds schools mostly at the state level. Other states fund schools mostly at the local level. For wealthy people living in wealthy neighborhoods, local schools are therefore richer in states where they don’t also have to contribute to funding poor people’s kids’ educations. Here’s a clear summary I found describing education funding in CA https://ed100.org/lessons/whopays The local -> state change to the f…

Interesting, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25363022 claims that Texas has less inequality between schools.

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Post by threeseed »

_0w8t wrote: post #204
S_A_P wrote: post #158

Pretty interesting to see this move makes people so salty. There does seem to be a trend of people fleeing California, I dont know enough about the situation out there to comment on whether or not its valid. I suspect something must be going on for several high profile folks moving out. And before you bash Texas, its not perfect. But its pretty diverse, and it seems that folks with opposing viewpoints can still coexi…

Few reasons to leave California - https://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2020/09/12/leaving-the-ba...

> Also, seekers of alternate Bay Areas: fuck off, we’re full: the last thing any functioning society needs is your contributions.

That's the sort of insightful, tolerant viewpoint that helps elevate discussions.

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Post by ddoolin »

boringg wrote: post #171
S_A_P wrote: post #158

Pretty interesting to see this move makes people so salty. There does seem to be a trend of people fleeing California, I dont know enough about the situation out there to comment on whether or not its valid. I suspect something must be going on for several high profile folks moving out. And before you bash Texas, its not perfect. But its pretty diverse, and it seems that folks with opposing viewpoints can still coexi…

California still has every viewpoint that is imaginable though there does seem to be less space for far right. What's making everyone salty about Elon leaving is there was considerable amount of people who helped him build up in the state (i.e. state benefits, staff who worked incredibly hard for many years, consumers who bought his cars [drive in the bay area]) and he's peacing out, with a slap in the face to everyo…

Genuine question: how do states like Texas, Florida, etc. get by without taxing income? Do they not need that money for their operations? What is the difference between their government and California's?

I figure Florida makes it up with their tourism industry but Texas decidedly does not have that.

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Post by pvarangot »

scop wrote: post #310
glitchc wrote: post #252

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This doesn't make any sense. Why is the quality of life poorer in California compared to Texas when California has: Better schools across all grades, better universities and better weather? Perhaps there are other factors? Do demographics play a role perchance? From Wikipedia: 1) According to 2018 US Census Bureau estimates, California's population was 59.5% White (36.6% Non-Hispanic White), 14.7% Asian, 13.8% Some O…

I live in San Francisco. I literally do not see black people. I largely do not see brown people outside of the service industry (i.e. they are "kept back in the kitchen"). I will largely interact with only white people and asian people on any given day. Where I will be moving to in TX has more diversity than where I live in San Francisco, which is something I am happy about. My children will be seeing more black & br…

Not sure were you live in SF and what circles you frequent. I live in The Mission and most times I go somewhere in the neighborhood there's lots of "brown" people. There's not much black people in SF but black people from Oakland hang out in some places I frequent.

Maybe it's your neighborhood, some islands in the city look like a white suburb, like Noe Valley for example.

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