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FTC Sues Facebook for Illegal Monopolization

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Re: FTC Sues Facebook for Illegal Monopolization

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This doesn't make sense who authorized Instagram and Whatsapp acquisitions at the first place? FTC [1] It isn't Zuck's fault nobody else is as competitive as Facebook is.... I look at you MySpace and Twitter. [1] https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/press-releases/2012/08/ftc-c... "The Federal Trade Commission has closed its nonpublic investigation of Facebook's proposed acquisition of Instagram, Inc., without taking any…

For perspective, the acquisition was before IG had ads and before Facebook was publicly traded. How was the FTC supposed to magically see the future anti-competitive actions (like blocking vine)?

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#192

I feel like instead of pushing for the companies to separate, congress should pass laws mandating [adversarial interoperability]( https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2019/10/adversarial-interopera... ). Then the data (including the social graph) really would belong to the users, and facebook would have to compete with multiple other “social network clients” that would rapidly emerge. Facebook would lose some monopoly profi…

I want Facebook to stop tracking me, not enable more of it. Which does this enable?

Stop using their free service and block their Javascript. Don't use apps built with their login framework.

Re: FTC Sues Facebook for Illegal Monopolization

#193

I feel like instead of pushing for the companies to separate, congress should pass laws mandating [adversarial interoperability]( https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2019/10/adversarial-interopera... ). Then the data (including the social graph) really would belong to the users, and facebook would have to compete with multiple other “social network clients” that would rapidly emerge. Facebook would lose some monopoly profi…

In an ideal world, I'd like both. Mandated interoperability would help a great deal—but I also don't believe Facebook should ever have been allowed to buy Whatsapp, and it's worth undoing that.

Why? WhatsApp today is a great messaging app platform with end-to-end encryption.

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#195

When Facebook first went public, an older relative asked me if he should invest in Facebook. My only insight was being an internet user at the time and I said no, there was no reason that Facebook wouldn’t be another MySpace. Facebook's only value was their users and users were historically very finicky and moved around platforms at will. I argued that Facebook would make no money and wouldn’t be around in a couple o…

One big difference between FB/MySpace is OAuth - you can dump FB the social network, but much harder to dump FB the identity verification service. OAuth in theory is great, in practice it has been an anti-competitive/anti-privacy Trojan Horse.

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#196

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I want Facebook to stop tracking me, not enable more of it. Which does this enable?

Stop using their free service and block their Javascript. Don't use apps built with their login framework.

And what about their tracking through a huge chunk of popular websites? Shadow profiles and all kinds of shadey stuff.

Re: FTC Sues Facebook for Illegal Monopolization

#197

When Facebook first went public, an older relative asked me if he should invest in Facebook. My only insight was being an internet user at the time and I said no, there was no reason that Facebook wouldn’t be another MySpace. Facebook's only value was their users and users were historically very finicky and moved around platforms at will. I argued that Facebook would make no money and wouldn’t be around in a couple o…

In hindsight, i think a big part is that myspace's reach extended mostly to early adopter internet users. Early adopters jump on ships early, but also jump off easily too. Once everyone's parents and grandparents jumped on to facebook, that's a much better moat. FB buying up the competition probably helped too.

> FB buying up the competition probably helped too.

Which the FTC could have stopped at any time.

Re: FTC Sues Facebook for Illegal Monopolization

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Why the hell is HN so downvote happy?

> Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading. > Please don't post comments saying that HN is turning into Reddit. It's a semi-noob illusion, as old as the hills. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Copy+pasting the rules is even more boring, just move on

Re: FTC Sues Facebook for Illegal Monopolization

#199
Honestly, while I have my doubts about this succeeding, it nevertheless feels like the big tech suit most likely to succeed.

Amazon promoting its own brands isn't much different from a supermarket offering its own brand items. Apple isn't a monopoly in phones because of Android. And Google's search is so inherently tied to selling ads as a business model that separating them is a difficult argument -- plus search competitors are just a click away, as evidenced by how much Google pays Apple to be the default.

But FB, IG and WhatsApp are clearly separate products, all very much monopolies in their markets, easy to split up without huge adverse effects, and FB purchasing them was clearly done to neuter potential competitive threats.

So if any suit is going to succeed, this feels like it would be the one.

Re: FTC Sues Facebook for Illegal Monopolization

#200
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I've been giving the wrong answer to "Should I buy Bitcoin" since 2011 or so. I was bearish on Amazon when its stock was at 60 because its P/E ratio was ridiculous. I've learned to just be comfortable with the fact that I'm wrong a lot.

You're not necessarily wrong. It's a long held truism that the market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.

If you're right about what the market should, rationally do, and it does something else, you were still wrong.
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