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Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by logicslave »

gonehome wrote: post #445
logicslave wrote: post #397

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"Elon has built incredible companies doing incredible things. He's also made some stupid comments re: covid." I hope you see theres an issue with statements like this. Its hard for someone to be so competent in terms of founding multiple billion+ companies, and then be completely wrong on covid.

“Eppur si muove” It’s not that hard - people are wildly inconsistent in views and accuracy. Someone can be contrarian and correct in one area and contrarian and wrong in another. In fact I’d bet if you are more independently minded then you’re more likely to be very wrong in some categories since you’ve succeeded mostly by ignoring convention and thinking independently. Most of the time this works, but sometimes you’…

Not really. This kind of thinking is an attempt to tear down and discredit people who are capable of challenging a brainwashed narrative. Clearly elon musk has an incredibly strong grasp on reality. Just because his political leanings go against yours doesn't mean you can discredit him.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by unethical_ban »

nemo wrote: post #517
sdljfjafsd wrote: post #413

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Is that really any different from any other state, including California? Rural vs urban culture are completely different in every state in America. As Californians we still insulate ourselves from rural culture. The only difference in California those counties don't form the bulk of the electorate while in Texas they do. We still have the same problem: a cultural divide between rural and urban.

I live in TX. I am very, very careful when I'm out in the sticks since the shitkickers are dangerous. I also lived in CA and even in the sticks out in central CA there's just nothing like the scale of xenophobic belligerence in rural TX (or the rest of the Bible Belt).

Careful how? Do you typically "stand out" as in being overtly gay, or wearing anti-relgious clothing?

I'm a white man and I suppose I would be a bit wary if I had a huge Bernie sticker on my car, I otherwise don't feel unsafe in the middle of nowhere TX. I just don't like that they're all rah rah GOP.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by elindbe2 »

yxwvut wrote: post #439
beambot wrote: post #235

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You mean abatements & subsidies required to push "clean" vehicle policies that are among the most aggressive in the world? Without Tesla & CA's policies, auto electrification would be at least a decade behind what it is today... Being at the forefront of environmental policy has real costs.

Perhaps the private beneficiaries of those subsidies should bear some responsibility for covering the costs?

California would've had to make that responsibility known up front. They chose not to do that.

And California directly benefitted from the money they spent. That benefit is electric vehicles in the hands of its population, which improves the state's pollution levels long-term.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by monoideism »

Dudelander wrote: post #505
monoideism wrote: post #244

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How do you describe "far-right"? Edit: the reason I ask the question is that I've noticed a trend among people from very left-leaning areas to define anyone slightly right of center as being "far-right". I've been called "far-right" because of beliefs that were typical of moderate Democrats in the 1990s. What label that leaves for people like actual Nazis, fascists, neo-Confederates, etc, I'm not sure. Far-far-far ri…

Some views Moderate Democrats held in the 90s could be very far right, depending on the subject. Bill Clinton supported "Don't ask, don't tell" and the defense of marriage act. They were considered moderate in the 90s, but I would classify them as far right today. A moderate in the 1930s could literally have supported Fascism, and the "progressive" Woodrow Wilson supported the Klu Klux Klan. I'm not saying this appli…

Exactly. By your standards, Bill Clinton was "far right".

Excellent example.

For the record, I support civil rights protections for all humans, including gays on the basis on sexual orientation. I disagreed then with most of Bill Clinton's policies toward gay rights (I also strongly supported making marriage a uniquely civil institution vis-a-vis government recognition available to all citizens, like France).

By the way, you know who else had that exact same views on gay rights as Bill Clinton when he entered office?

Barack Obama.

Was he "far right" in 2008?

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by fataliss »

manigandham wrote: post #555
ddoolin wrote: post #537

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Crime in almost every category has gone down over the last decade. You have to be crazy to think gang activity has gotten worse over the same time period. Immigration is not the domain of the state. I'd argue that given the number of people here, the traffic could be a lot worse. I've personally seen worse gridlock on worse infrastructure in other states with less people. Even if you account for the days that fires a…

Crime and gang activity is increasing, especially in prisons where every yard is now active. Local street gangs sets have multiplied with the influx of people (many homeless), drugs, welfare and larger organized crime operations. Also recent policies decriminalized many acts and have led to rampant street crime in areas like SF and LA. CA provides sanctuary status for illegal immigrants, along with driver licenses, f…

Do you have any source on these claims? Cause these are typically hard to measure and I get suspicious when I read "Also recent policies decriminalized many acts and have led to rampant street crime" and other welfare correlation with crime. Happy to learn new things tho :)

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Post by anchpop »

zionic wrote: post #512
wolverine876 wrote: post #234

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Many, many billionaires live, have lived, and thrive in CA - probably more than any place in the world. In fact, I'd guess that more billionaires have made their fortunes in CA than any other place. The grievance rhetoric has gone too far (and had awhile ago) when it's used by billionaires. There is also strong reactionary political rhetoric here, the premise that taxes on wealthy people are nearly criminal theft, an…

Just "wealthy" people? The taxes I paid when I made mid 6 figures were criminally high and they have only gotten slightly better with my shift to long term capital gains.

if you’re making “mid six figures” USD you’re comfortably wealthy anywhere in the world. Half a million a year is a lot of money.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by umeshunni »

dmode wrote: post #383
scop wrote: post #310

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I live in San Francisco. I literally do not see black people. I largely do not see brown people outside of the service industry (i.e. they are "kept back in the kitchen"). I will largely interact with only white people and asian people on any given day. Where I will be moving to in TX has more diversity than where I live in San Francisco, which is something I am happy about. My children will be seeing more black & br…

You do not see brown people ? Have you, I don't know, been to any tech company ? where vast majorities of engineering groups are brown people ?

Most white liberals like to pretend like Asians, including Indians, don't exist (or worse, consider them 'white').

It runs counter to a lot of their narratives regarding diversity, immigration etc.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by dcolkitt »

ddoolin wrote: post #537
manigandham wrote: post #506

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The state has gone downhill on every metric possible. People can't name even 5 things that have improved over the past decade. Taxes, infrastructure, homeless, rent/housing, cost of living, gas, traffic, smog and pollution, crime, illegal immigration, gangs, fires, droughts, private property issues, local govt gridlock and deficiency, and now the weather isn't great either. Unfortunately many of those leaving don't r…

Crime in almost every category has gone down over the last decade. You have to be crazy to think gang activity has gotten worse over the same time period. Immigration is not the domain of the state. I'd argue that given the number of people here, the traffic could be a lot worse. I've personally seen worse gridlock on worse infrastructure in other states with less people. Even if you account for the days that fires a…

> Crime in almost every category has gone down over the last decade.

This isn't true at all. Since prop 47, property crime has exploded across the state. Even violent crime rates are significantly higher in LA than they were in 2010.[2][3] In particular gang-on-gang violence may be moving the homicide rate lower, but predator-on-prey violence has shot up. Rapes have more than doubled in the past decade.

> From Seattle to Los Angeles, a “shoplifting boom” is hitting major retailers, which deal with thousands of thefts, drug overdoses, and assaults each year. Since 2010, thefts increased by 22 percent in Portland, 50 percent in San Francisco, and 61 percent in Los Angeles

[1] https://www.city-journal.org/west-coast-shoplifting-boom [2] http://www.laalmanac.com/crime/cr02.php [3] https://abc7.com/murder-los-angeles-crime-covid/7185695/

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by missedthecue »

tomjakubowski wrote: post #375
zaroth wrote: post #6

California is actively looking for ways to extract more money from Elon. It likely posed an appreciable risk to his business ventures that CA at some point will try to tax unrecognized capital gains, which would require him to liquidate shares to pay the tax. Basically akin to a hostile government takeover. If CA were to aggressively pursue such a policy, they would likely go after anyone they perceived as fleeing ju…

You know that CA subsidized Tesla to the tune of billions of dollars right?

And they would have done so if Musk went home to Texas every night from the start. What's the point you're making? It seems like the problem you have is with the folks in Sacramento, not Musk or anyone else.
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