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Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by wavefunction »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #311
ourcat wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You probably get far more for your money though. (Property/land-wise) I also remember reading stories years ago about CA/SV businesses that had offices up in Colorado as a back-up for when 'The Big One' hits.

Yes, ironically property taxes are much higher in Texas than California. And toll roads, etc... In short, the money has to come from somewhere — if not from income tax then it will be from somewhere else.

He can just stick a few livestock on a corner of his property and get an Agriculture exemption.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by woah »

techsupporter wrote: post #220
S_A_P wrote: post #158

Pretty interesting to see this move makes people so salty. There does seem to be a trend of people fleeing California, I dont know enough about the situation out there to comment on whether or not its valid. I suspect something must be going on for several high profile folks moving out. And before you bash Texas, its not perfect. But its pretty diverse, and it seems that folks with opposing viewpoints can still coexi…

My birth certificate says "Texas" across the top and people have been "fleeing California" to Texas for as long as I've been alive. There's nothing special about Musk; he just happens to be high-profile about it and managed to extract more from California before decamping to a "cheap" state than several of those who came before him. I disagree with your assessment that Texas has wide acceptance for opposing viewpoint…

It's been a massive windfall to people who have been homeowners for 40 years in California. High rents due to the fact that you're not allowed to build new housing, high property taxes paid by new residents, while old residents pay nothing, high income and sales taxes to paper over the gap in the budget left by the lack of property tax paid by longtime residents.

The whole system has been optimized to milk as much money as possible from newcomers. The people in power in California even scapegoated the newcomers for a long time, and pretended that they were unwanted. Now that the system has finally become unsustainable, we get these ridiculous takes about how somebody "extracted wealth" from California.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by spelunker »

glitchc wrote: post #548
s1artibartfast wrote: post #330

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The average income in California 25% higher than Texas (60k vs 48k), but taxes and costs are more than 25% higher in California. The typical home value of homes in California is $599,159. [1] The typical home value of homes in Texas is $224,065 California sales tax rate of 7.25% is higher than that of any other state, and its top marginal income tax rate of 13.3% is the highest state income tax rate in the country. T…

I do not doubt or dispute that Texas is cheaper to live in. It was the "significant" quality of life for children statement struck me as a red flag. It's a form of WASP signaling I've seen many times before (I may be a WASP too...) It's a particularly egregious statement given that people the world over (myself included) would love to retire in California some day due to the wonderful weather, the abundance of high-q…

So therefore the OP must be secretly racist??

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by Darmody »

uoaei wrote: post #492
Darmody wrote: post #425

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I'm going to reply with a comment I made an hour ago. "The far-left managed to create an "amazing" (and terrifying) perspective. If you're a leftist but not as leftist as them, you're a centrist, maybe even center-right which makes everybody on the right to be automatically far-right."

So then you are obligated, in the context of this conversation, to define "far-left." I suspect you haven't elaborated on it because you recognize that your application of the term is easily disputed.

Anti-capitalists, socialists, police defunders, censors (they can be also far right wingers), haters of every western thing, etc. You can easily identify them inside the democratic party, they have a lot of power now.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by fortran77 »

woah wrote: post #572
techsupporter wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My birth certificate says "Texas" across the top and people have been "fleeing California" to Texas for as long as I've been alive. There's nothing special about Musk; he just happens to be high-profile about it and managed to extract more from California before decamping to a "cheap" state than several of those who came before him. I disagree with your assessment that Texas has wide acceptance for opposing viewpoint…

It's been a massive windfall to people who have been homeowners for 40 years in California. High rents due to the fact that you're not allowed to build new housing, high property taxes paid by new residents, while old residents pay nothing, high income and sales taxes to paper over the gap in the budget left by the lack of property tax paid by longtime residents. The whole system has been optimized to milk as much mo…

> while old residents pay nothing

This is patently false. Property taxes can and do raise 2%/year.

California does need to build new housing.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by fortran77 »

S_A_P wrote: post #158

Pretty interesting to see this move makes people so salty. There does seem to be a trend of people fleeing California, I dont know enough about the situation out there to comment on whether or not its valid. I suspect something must be going on for several high profile folks moving out. And before you bash Texas, its not perfect. But its pretty diverse, and it seems that folks with opposing viewpoints can still coexi…

> with opposing viewpoints can still coexist here.

I don't see many "opposing viewpoints" in Palo Alto either.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by cortesoft »

S_A_P wrote: post #158

Pretty interesting to see this move makes people so salty. There does seem to be a trend of people fleeing California, I dont know enough about the situation out there to comment on whether or not its valid. I suspect something must be going on for several high profile folks moving out. And before you bash Texas, its not perfect. But its pretty diverse, and it seems that folks with opposing viewpoints can still coexi…

More people leave California than any other state.

Also, more people move to California than any other state.

California is just huge

https://xkcd.com/1138/

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by beaner »

beambot wrote: post #235
itsoktocry wrote: post #199

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> Or, framed differently, California is looking for deep pockets to bail out their failing budget rather than adjust their policy to match what they can afford. You mean the budget that included tax abatement and subsidies for his factories and the people who buy his cars?

You mean abatements & subsidies required to push "clean" vehicle policies that are among the most aggressive in the world? Without Tesla & CA's policies, auto electrification would be at least a decade behind what it is today... Being at the forefront of environmental policy has real costs.

Unpopular opinion:

Electric cars & clean tech generally have made leaps and bounds because consumers want it. Climate agreements help somewhat, but they're a lagging indicator of the trend.

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