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Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by lavishlatern »

armenarmen wrote: post #384
techsupporter wrote: post #220

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My birth certificate says "Texas" across the top and people have been "fleeing California" to Texas for as long as I've been alive. There's nothing special about Musk; he just happens to be high-profile about it and managed to extract more from California before decamping to a "cheap" state than several of those who came before him. I disagree with your assessment that Texas has wide acceptance for opposing viewpoint…

The liberal inner cores of Texas cities primarily grew up in these burbs and small towns, and know that despite being a MAGA bro, their uncle isn't satan incarnate. Compare that to the dirty looks I got walking around SF in a Buck-ees hat that happened to be red. It bordered upon comedy.

I've never seen this behavior in SF, especially considering how many people wear red 49ers apparel...

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by busterarm »

bosswipe wrote: post #236
busterarm wrote: post #62

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California has a $54B deficit this year. It's been all over the news, including very left-wing sources like NY Times and Politico. The state _projected_ a surplus and was off by an entire order of magnitude into the red. The state has been campaigning to Congress all year for about $14B in bailout money.

It's always amazing when I talk to conservatives about california how they know so many little negative details about my state. A lot of times I'll ask them about the budget of their own state and they won't have any idea.

I'm center-left. NY has many of the same budget woes that CA does.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by h_spacer »

Darmody wrote: post #425
chillwaves wrote: post #386

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The Democratic party is a center-right party. If you are further to the right of them, you are far-right.

I'm going to reply with a comment I made an hour ago. "The far-left managed to create an "amazing" (and terrifying) perspective. If you're a leftist but not as leftist as them, you're a centrist, maybe even center-right which makes everybody on the right to be automatically far-right."

If you're further left then democrats you're a troll, if you're further right you're a nazi.

It's a magical place where only those who agree with the person speaking are allowed to have an opinion and shouldn't be censored by big tech co.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by almost_usual »

mrits wrote: post #378
techsupporter wrote: post #220

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My birth certificate says "Texas" across the top and people have been "fleeing California" to Texas for as long as I've been alive. There's nothing special about Musk; he just happens to be high-profile about it and managed to extract more from California before decamping to a "cheap" state than several of those who came before him. I disagree with your assessment that Texas has wide acceptance for opposing viewpoint…

I grew up in Tyler but have lived in Austin for 15 years. I don't mean to be argumentative but you seem to be comparing Small town Texas with "Big City" California. I've vacationed in smaller towns in California and the conservative nature of those areas remind me a lot of Tyler,Texas.

Rural California has plenty of interesting views. State of Jefferson, etc.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by manigandham »

ddoolin wrote: post #537
manigandham wrote: post #506

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The state has gone downhill on every metric possible. People can't name even 5 things that have improved over the past decade. Taxes, infrastructure, homeless, rent/housing, cost of living, gas, traffic, smog and pollution, crime, illegal immigration, gangs, fires, droughts, private property issues, local govt gridlock and deficiency, and now the weather isn't great either. Unfortunately many of those leaving don't r…

Crime in almost every category has gone down over the last decade. You have to be crazy to think gang activity has gotten worse over the same time period. Immigration is not the domain of the state. I'd argue that given the number of people here, the traffic could be a lot worse. I've personally seen worse gridlock on worse infrastructure in other states with less people. Even if you account for the days that fires a…

Crime and gang activity is increasing, especially in prisons where every yard is now active. Local street gangs sets have multiplied with the influx of people (many homeless), drugs, welfare and larger organized crime operations. Also recent policies decriminalized many acts and have led to rampant street crime in areas like SF and LA.

CA provides sanctuary status for illegal immigrants, along with driver licenses, free healthcare and other benefits paid for by tax-paying citizens. Traffic is terrible because of a lack of any other alternatives that are routinely defunded, destroyed and dismissed from high-speed rail to bus lines to ridesharing.

CA is now worse than before. It's also worse than many other places. Just because 1 facet is better than somewhere else doesn't impact the objective collective decline. Again, please name 10 things that have gotten better in CA over the last decade if you can.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by nickik »

tenpies wrote: post #395
legohead wrote: post #282

Strange comments for HN. Elon moving has little to do with California vs Texas. This is totally expected from Elon, who likes to oversee new operations personally and whip everyone into shape. His "dislike" of California has little to do with it, but he's definitely going to milk it for all it's worth. I thought at least HNers would see through this easily.

> This is totally expected from Elon, who likes to oversee new operations personally and whip everyone into shape. So why is he not moving from Shanghai to Austin? And from Austin to Berlin? I think people should really look into where Elon actually spends his time. Tesla is his clearly on the back burner as far as his personal attention is concerned. He checks in, but he's very successfully sold the "I sleep under m…

'Clearly' here meaning 'in my opinion'.

Or do you have any real data on that?

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by caeril »

tidepod12 wrote: post #254
LinuxBender wrote: post #170

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[Edit] Adding link to reciprocal agreements and filing in multiple states in thread below. His businesses in California would have to move to Texas to realize the benefits.

>State personal income taxes are based on your legal domicile Not in CA. The determination of your residency status for CA tax purposes is based on much more than just your legal home address. And even if you are classed as a nonresident, you still pay CA taxes on any income earned due to work in CA. Texas and CA do not have any reciprocal tax agreements. Source: live in Texas, travel for work a lot all over the coun…

> you still pay CA taxes on any income earned due to work in CA

I do exactly this. I earn income from a CA company, but live elsewhere. But I wouldn't characterize it as "paying".

Paychex withholds my CA taxes, which then get (nearly) fully refunded a week after filing. It's not exactly "paying" - rather, you're giving a zero-interest loan to the State of California with an average maturity of 6-7 months.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by greendude29 »

Why is this news?

Who cares if Musk leaves. Business people hate paying taxes, and they will always where go taxes are lower. They've done this for the last century, and will continue playing the victim despite getting massive bailouts.

Things like this shouldn't new news and/or posted here. It has no relevance.

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Post by Foober223 »

adkadskhj wrote: post #219
bagacrap wrote: post #189

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Is this a successful way to dodge taxes? If so, that loophole should be fixed. I left California 4 years ago and yet somehow still pay taxes to the state. If you're saying that anyone who was professionally successful in California has no right to ever leave the state, that seems like a tough sell.

I think rather that people/gov gave a bunch of benefits to be in state that cost the state, but they didn't require that he stay in the state. So i think the implication is that he took resources from the state but didn't stay long enough for the gov/people to see an ROI. But, as much as i am a lefty (+capitalist) , that seems a fault of the state. States should expect this more imo. You give near negative returns to…

> You give near negative returns to companies

Does California invest money/resources to companies? Or is it more of an indirect thing, such as maintaining roads and bridges?

Why are businesses choosing to hop off the California gravy train? Is the gravy not worth the taxes? Is the gravy just hyperbole?

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Post by throwaway894345 »

maxharris wrote: post #238
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I doubt it. Car dealerships are still very politically powerful. They are major contributors to state legislative and congressional races, support local charities, etc and employ lots of well-paid local staff. As electric becomes more common, that will tip as manufacturers buyout dealerships. But that will take awhile and bigger dealers are gobbling up little dealers in the meantime. IMO, the dealers will be less of…

I doubt car dealers will have much of a future in a world were you can just hop in a robotaxi for very little money and not have to spend on parking, fuel, maintenance, registration fees, etc. I sold my car in 2018 and have been living car-free in Los Angeles since then. For the times they are a-changin'...

Unless you have quite a nice car or otherwise live in some logistical niche, rideshare is going to be quite a lot more expensive than car ownership. Some people will be able to replace some of their driving with public transit, walking, or cycling, but most people can't because public transit isn't feasible and commuting distances are too great for walking or cycling (this is especially true for people who aren't in peak health or who have families or pets or anything else that they need to regularly transport). Until "robotaxis" actually refers to fully-autonomous taxi services, I don't think we're going to see wide-scale movement away from car ownership.
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