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Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by rendang »

AnotherGoodName wrote: post #515
monoideism wrote: post #244

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How do you describe "far-right"? Edit: the reason I ask the question is that I've noticed a trend among people from very left-leaning areas to define anyone slightly right of center as being "far-right". I've been called "far-right" because of beliefs that were typical of moderate Democrats in the 1990s. What label that leaves for people like actual Nazis, fascists, neo-Confederates, etc, I'm not sure. Far-far-far ri…

We have a new lines drawn on acceptance for behavior towards sexuality, religion, women's rights and race since the 90's. The line has moved. The 90's was 30 years ago. I don't know your exact situation at all and criticism of you may indeed have been unfair. But for fucks sake don't try to make a case that you're not far-right by looking to the behavior of people in the past. That indicates strongly you may indeed h…

A belief that morality improves over time as you describe, aka whiggism/meliorism, is itself a kind of religious tenet of a particular set of worldviews (often called left, progressive etc). So I don't think one can say that rejecting that tenet places one outside of the Overton window of acceptability, while at the same time claiming tolerance of a wide range of viewpoints.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by aglavine »

11thEarlOfMar wrote: post #473
gonehome wrote: post #213

I wish public rhetoric was less combative/twitter-like and more collaborative. Elon has built incredible companies doing incredible things. He's also made some stupid comments re: covid. SV political hostility towards technology companies and employees is frustrating. I wish the government was more aligned with helping these companies grow and things weren't treated as if they were so zero-sum (when they're not). I a…

I'm an optimist and forward looking person at heart. But the last couple of years have made me cynical enough that I researched the 'most free' country in the world as an expatriate destination[0]. We are witnessing super-wealthy individuals, I think the word is oligarch, use their out-sized wealth to advance causes outside of the domain that made them wealthy. Obvious examples include Bill Gates advancing world heal…

I trust Gates way more than government.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by nickik »

Darmody wrote: post #425
chillwaves wrote: post #386

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The Democratic party is a center-right party. If you are further to the right of them, you are far-right.

I'm going to reply with a comment I made an hour ago. "The far-left managed to create an "amazing" (and terrifying) perspective. If you're a leftist but not as leftist as them, you're a centrist, maybe even center-right which makes everybody on the right to be automatically far-right."

That is literally how the world neoliberalism got created. It has some very limited academic use before then but basically exploded in usage.

When center leftists started to embrace free trade and things like that.

So basically anybody not on the left fringe was label a neoliberalist, all the way from Clinton to Milton Friedman.

You can make it really easy if you just throw everybody in the same bucket and label it evil. Its a classic move in politics.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by dschuler »

dmode wrote: post #388
busterarm wrote: post #44

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Or, framed differently, California is looking for deep pockets to bail out their failing budget rather than adjust their policy to match what they can afford. The same has been happening in New Jersey with its insane taxes that don't really go to pay for services anymore and have diverted from transportation & infrastructure projects for decades now to bail out their severely underfunded pension funds...where the pen…

California has been running budget surpluses for many years. And will run a surplus again this year, despite the pandemic

It currently looks like CA will face a 54B budget deficit for 2020 [0], and "could see" a "one-time surplus" of $26B for 2021 [1,2], followed by projected deficits in 2022-25 [2].

[0] https://www.npr.org/2020/08/03/895377375/california-has-lost...

[1] https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-aler...

[2] https://lao.ca.gov/reports/2020/4297/fiscal-outlook-111820.p...

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by manigandham »

tabtab wrote: post #520
manigandham wrote: post #506

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The state has gone downhill on every metric possible. People can't name even 5 things that have improved over the past decade. Taxes, infrastructure, homeless, rent/housing, cost of living, gas, traffic, smog and pollution, crime, illegal immigration, gangs, fires, droughts, private property issues, local govt gridlock and deficiency, and now the weather isn't great either. Unfortunately many of those leaving don't r…

> The state has gone downhill on every metric possible. Mostly because it got more crowded. As a CA resident, if you don't like CA, please DO move out. It will help traffic, for one. If ALL you care about is a big house and taxes, then CA is probably not for you. As soon as you walk outside your TX McMansion, you may realize why CA is so crowded.

> "Mostly because it got more crowded."

So what? That means more people and tax revenue to solve problems. There are plenty of very dense areas around the world run just fine. This is a failure of policy not population. If people are such a problem then maybe tax-paying law-abiding citizens should be prioritized over illegal immigration.

> "If ALL you care about is a big house and taxes, then CA is probably not for you... you may realize why CA is so crowded."

Who said that? Your dismissive and defensive attitude along with blaming completely irrelevant details like population is the reason why CA and its voting populace is in the state that it's in.

Please list what has gotten better in CA over the last 10 years or I'll assume you have no argument.

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Post by lotsofpulp »

nemo44x wrote: post #464
ddoolin wrote: post #429

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Genuine question: how do states like Texas, Florida, etc. get by without taxing income? Do they not need that money for their operations? What is the difference between their government and California's? I figure Florida makes it up with their tourism industry but Texas decidedly does not have that.

Property taxes. This also means more taxes stay local and in the communities paying them. Of course there are opposing viewpoints on if this is good or bad. But the state still gets a good portion of those taxes. On the east coast some of our states have high state income tax AND high property taxes (and property is very expensive) and I’m not sure the services or infrastructure are any better than in states like Tex…

Those east cost states just have a lot of debt (including their unfunded deferred compensation such as defined benefit pensions and retiree healthcare), plus debt from old infrastructure that needs to be updated.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by ddoolin »

manigandham wrote: post #506
S_A_P wrote: post #158

Pretty interesting to see this move makes people so salty. There does seem to be a trend of people fleeing California, I dont know enough about the situation out there to comment on whether or not its valid. I suspect something must be going on for several high profile folks moving out. And before you bash Texas, its not perfect. But its pretty diverse, and it seems that folks with opposing viewpoints can still coexi…

The state has gone downhill on every metric possible. People can't name even 5 things that have improved over the past decade. Taxes, infrastructure, homeless, rent/housing, cost of living, gas, traffic, smog and pollution, crime, illegal immigration, gangs, fires, droughts, private property issues, local govt gridlock and deficiency, and now the weather isn't great either. Unfortunately many of those leaving don't r…

Crime in almost every category has gone down over the last decade. You have to be crazy to think gang activity has gotten worse over the same time period. Immigration is not the domain of the state. I'd argue that given the number of people here, the traffic could be a lot worse. I've personally seen worse gridlock on worse infrastructure in other states with less people. Even if you account for the days that fires affect a significant amount of people's weather experience, we still have great weather for the vast majority of the year.

It's not perfect by any means but you could easily draw up a similar list for any state. A state is a big area and it's probably more useful to talk about most of these kinds of things at a local level.

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Post by justanotherhn »

muskmelon_91 wrote: post #356
zaroth wrote: post #6

California is actively looking for ways to extract more money from Elon. It likely posed an appreciable risk to his business ventures that CA at some point will try to tax unrecognized capital gains, which would require him to liquidate shares to pay the tax. Basically akin to a hostile government takeover. If CA were to aggressively pursue such a policy, they would likely go after anyone they perceived as fleeing ju…

Its funny to see how effective the PR of Musk is! Tesla benefited the most from california's policies and budget. Now, as tesla scaled and succeeds California is the villain. Its easy to see that Musk is more worried about the Income tax. Please dont fall for the PR.

You created your account 1 hour ago to make this comment?

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by iamcreasy »

cromwellian wrote: post #198

Elon acknowledges market externalities in that interview to justify government intrusion in the free market to price in the cost of carbon and pollution. But he doesn’t seem to realize there are other externalities to price in: worker health, education, etc One of the reasons CA developed as a hot bed of activity was the college system here which provided a ready supply of educated skilled workforce. That’s been supp…

This is a good argument. I wish the interviewer brought it up.
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