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Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by Retric »

techsupporter wrote: post #277
WillPostForFood wrote: post #245

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How long have you been out of Texas? I think we know people aren't coming to Texas to live in Tyler; They are moving to the cities, Dallas, Houston, Austin, San Antonio, which are all diverse, and have large gay communities. Even Tyler has changed. (old article, but still) https://www.advocate.com/society/activism/2009/09/29/gays-ta...

But that's rather my point: if you're living just in the larger metro areas, you're choosing to insulate yourself from the rampant discrimination and bigotry that, numerically, forms the bulk of the electorate and shape the cultural mindset. To be clear, that's not a bad thing that people make that choice; I would, were in that position. If Texas voters will finally vote in someone who is more like Ann Richards than…

Turnout says far less about political views than you might think. Voter suppression is a common and effective tool used to keep a political party in power even as they loose popular support.

All it takes is realizing changing X rule like a deadline will help or hurt your party and then voting based on that rule. Eventually this can fail, which oddly enough tends to flip states so they can quickly go from solidly party A to solidly party B.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by tannhauser23 »

glitchc wrote: post #252
scop wrote: post #195

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We will be moving out of CA in the coming months. We are lifelong residents. We are leaving due to cost of living and especially quality of life for our children.

This doesn't make any sense. Why is the quality of life poorer in California compared to Texas when California has: Better schools across all grades, better universities and better weather? Perhaps there are other factors? Do demographics play a role perchance? From Wikipedia: 1) According to 2018 US Census Bureau estimates, California's population was 59.5% White (36.6% Non-Hispanic White), 14.7% Asian, 13.8% Some O…

Do you have kids? Have you tried buying a home in a nice school district in the bay area?

Implying that moving out of California is racist is quite the take.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by threeseed »

herodoturtle wrote: post #194
lotsofpulp wrote: post #188

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I've met quite a few people who moved out of South Africa to the US and UK, and the reason I was always given was something to do with the common advice being to not stop your car at night or at remote intersections lest you get carjacked or worse.

Yeah that's good advice if you're in a dangerous part of town, but it does on occasion also happen in what are considered the safer suburbs. Crime is South Africa's biggest pusher-outer-of-citizens. But those that have been to Cape Town and its surrounds understand why so many still choose to live there. It's a tough compromise!

Crime was always going to be significant in South Africa when you have such a large gap between the rich and the poor.

You have massive slums of people with no hope or future less than a 100 miles/kms away from the billion dollar French Riviera esque lifestyles of Camps Bay.

And with so many refugees coming in from the rest of Africa it almost seems like an unsolvable problem.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by grecy »

boringg wrote: post #95

It's unfortunate that Elon is leaving California given that the state has really lifted him to the pedestal he is on - through the talent network (highly talented employees, VCs), and the progressive policies that CA built for clean technology (Solar, EVs, Energy Storage). That was paid for on the backs of the people. Funny how short his memory is. Elon is a talented man - I absolutely respect what he's done. However…

> leaving California given that the state has really lifted him to the pedestal he is on.... That was paid for on the backs of the people. Funny how short his memory is....he doesn't want to pay a large tax bill for the success that he has had (hence selling all property in CA).

Genuine question, not trying to be snarky.

I grew up in Australia, which educated, housed and fed me very well, and turned me into a successful Engineer. I decided I wanted to live in the snowy mountains of Canada, so I moved here.

At what point is a person like myself (or Musk) free to move wherever they want? How long to I owe an obligation to Australia for what they helped me with?

Clearly what myself and Elon are doing is perfectly legal, so it sounds like you have a moral objection to what we're doing. Do you think morally everyone should stay in the same district they were born, paying off their "debt" from being raised?

I don't understand what you're trying to say here.

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Post by gonehome »

logicslave wrote: post #397
gonehome wrote: post #213

I wish public rhetoric was less combative/twitter-like and more collaborative. Elon has built incredible companies doing incredible things. He's also made some stupid comments re: covid. SV political hostility towards technology companies and employees is frustrating. I wish the government was more aligned with helping these companies grow and things weren't treated as if they were so zero-sum (when they're not). I a…

"Elon has built incredible companies doing incredible things. He's also made some stupid comments re: covid." I hope you see theres an issue with statements like this. Its hard for someone to be so competent in terms of founding multiple billion+ companies, and then be completely wrong on covid.

“Eppur si muove”

It’s not that hard - people are wildly inconsistent in views and accuracy.

Someone can be contrarian and correct in one area and contrarian and wrong in another.

In fact I’d bet if you are more independently minded then you’re more likely to be very wrong in some categories since you’ve succeeded mostly by ignoring convention and thinking independently.

Most of the time this works, but sometimes you’re wrong and the consensus is right.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by bdcravens »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #330
glitchc wrote: post #252

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This doesn't make any sense. Why is the quality of life poorer in California compared to Texas when California has: Better schools across all grades, better universities and better weather? Perhaps there are other factors? Do demographics play a role perchance? From Wikipedia: 1) According to 2018 US Census Bureau estimates, California's population was 59.5% White (36.6% Non-Hispanic White), 14.7% Asian, 13.8% Some O…

The average income in California 25% higher than Texas (60k vs 48k), but taxes and costs are more than 25% higher in California. The typical home value of homes in California is $599,159. [1] The typical home value of homes in Texas is $224,065 California sales tax rate of 7.25% is higher than that of any other state, and its top marginal income tax rate of 13.3% is the highest state income tax rate in the country. T…

> The typical home value of homes in Texas is $224,065

It's not uncommon to find decent homes in decent neighborhoods well below that average (I'm in a north Houston suburb, in a 1600 sqft corner lot 3/2 that's currently around $160k)

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by ryandrake »

scop wrote: post #361
JKCalhoun wrote: post #298

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Yes, you and poster you're replying to mention "quality of life". What does that mean? A cynic would see this as a dog-whistle for "too many Asians/Hispanics/foreigners". (And I have actually heard a white person here in California say that about the schools.) I suspect though you mean something else.

See my reply on a parallel comment. I will be moving to a more diverse area. It's remarkable how "I don't like the Bay Area" translates so easily to "racist dogwhistle". Quality of life means things like: - "there are children in my neighborhood" - "I don't need to keep looking over my shoulder at the playground with my children" - "I can get a 15-yr mortgage on a house that is 2000 sqft, be financially stable, and s…

Here are some other "quality of life" issues:

- Massive seasonal forest fires that have become normalized

- Risk (however small) of a catastrophic earthquake

- Dangerous public transport

- Piles of feces, needles, and general filth on (some) city sidewalks

- Daily bumper-to-bumper traffic on freeways from 8AM-11AM and 1PM-6PM

- Extreme regulatory burden and cost of normal things like starting a business, building a home or addition, and owning firearms

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by dctoedt »

ddoolin wrote: post #429
boringg wrote: post #171

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California still has every viewpoint that is imaginable though there does seem to be less space for far right. What's making everyone salty about Elon leaving is there was considerable amount of people who helped him build up in the state (i.e. state benefits, staff who worked incredibly hard for many years, consumers who bought his cars [drive in the bay area]) and he's peacing out, with a slap in the face to everyo…

Genuine question: how do states like Texas, Florida, etc. get by without taxing income? Do they not need that money for their operations? What is the difference between their government and California's? I figure Florida makes it up with their tourism industry but Texas decidedly does not have that.

> how do states like Texas, Florida, etc. get by without taxing income? Do they not need that money for their operations?

Sales tax and property tax.

> What is the difference between their government and California's?

Houstonian* here — Texas doesn't provide nearly the level of social services.

* I saw a post recently where someone said "I'm from Houston, not from Texas."

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by ericmay »

ddoolin wrote: post #429
boringg wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

California still has every viewpoint that is imaginable though there does seem to be less space for far right. What's making everyone salty about Elon leaving is there was considerable amount of people who helped him build up in the state (i.e. state benefits, staff who worked incredibly hard for many years, consumers who bought his cars [drive in the bay area]) and he's peacing out, with a slap in the face to everyo…

Genuine question: how do states like Texas, Florida, etc. get by without taxing income? Do they not need that money for their operations? What is the difference between their government and California's? I figure Florida makes it up with their tourism industry but Texas decidedly does not have that.

Higher taxes elsewhere (which I think more sense anyway), and honestly probably just less wasteful spending and fewer beneficial (or potentially beneficial) programs.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by jdhn »

scop wrote: post #310
glitchc wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This doesn't make any sense. Why is the quality of life poorer in California compared to Texas when California has: Better schools across all grades, better universities and better weather? Perhaps there are other factors? Do demographics play a role perchance? From Wikipedia: 1) According to 2018 US Census Bureau estimates, California's population was 59.5% White (36.6% Non-Hispanic White), 14.7% Asian, 13.8% Some O…

I live in San Francisco. I literally do not see black people. I largely do not see brown people outside of the service industry (i.e. they are "kept back in the kitchen"). I will largely interact with only white people and asian people on any given day. Where I will be moving to in TX has more diversity than where I live in San Francisco, which is something I am happy about. My children will be seeing more black & br…

This makes it sound like you're moving exclusively because you see too many white and asian people, which is kind of a racist motivation.
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