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Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by sedatk »

11thEarlOfMar wrote: post #96

I was on the edge of the same decision. This move by the new district attorney in LA is so far beyond the pale that if it's not rescinded soon, I am gone too: "NEW: L.A. County DA George Gascon has issued a directive to prosecutors that the following misdemeanors will be declined for prosecution, with exemptions. -Trespassing -Disturbing the peace -Driving without license -Prostitution -Resisting arrest" This is an a…

I don't know how this is related to Elon Musk's decision, but:

Most of those have the exception clauses like "repeat offenses" or "imminent danger" (except prostitution) which sounds much more reasonable than how it's been described.

The message this sends to "those committing criminal behavior" hasn't really changed. If they have been committing criminal behavior, they will be charged, because repeat offenses are an exception.

More likely, this sends the message "doing a mistake once won't ruin your life forever" and "sex work isn't a crime".

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by newacct583 »

What's weird with all the vaguely partisan/culture-war outrage going on here about California is that from the perspective of partisan divide a transfer of tech industry employment from CA to TX (which is absolutely happening, and has been for some time) is objectively a good thing for the "left". TX is likely to follow VA and CO into blue state status sometime in the next decade because of it.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by sdljfjafsd »

techsupporter wrote: post #277
WillPostForFood wrote: post #245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How long have you been out of Texas? I think we know people aren't coming to Texas to live in Tyler; They are moving to the cities, Dallas, Houston, Austin, San Antonio, which are all diverse, and have large gay communities. Even Tyler has changed. (old article, but still) https://www.advocate.com/society/activism/2009/09/29/gays-ta...

But that's rather my point: if you're living just in the larger metro areas, you're choosing to insulate yourself from the rampant discrimination and bigotry that, numerically, forms the bulk of the electorate and shape the cultural mindset. To be clear, that's not a bad thing that people make that choice; I would, were in that position. If Texas voters will finally vote in someone who is more like Ann Richards than…

Is that really any different from any other state, including California? Rural vs urban culture are completely different in every state in America. As Californians we still insulate ourselves from rural culture. The only difference in California those counties don't form the bulk of the electorate while in Texas they do. We still have the same problem: a cultural divide between rural and urban.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by jboydyhacker »

toast0 wrote: post #284
beowulfey wrote: post #200

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Why do you still pay taxes in California? Do you have a residence there?

If you have RSUs that were in while you were working in California or a resident of California, the Franchise Tax Board claims a portion of the income as California source when (if) they finally vest. That could be years later, when you're no longer a resident. If you move from California to another country, and are subject to US Federal Income tax, and don't qualify for an exemption, the Franchise Tax Board still co…

This looks like you are making stuff up.

I don't think it's a small motivation of Musk to escape the tax rate when he starts to sell his shares. Just because he vested them while in CA - if he's a resident of Texas when he sells I don't think he owes CA a dime.

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Post by jacobolus »

boogies wrote: post #360
glitchc wrote: post #252

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This doesn't make any sense. Why is the quality of life poorer in California compared to Texas when California has: Better schools across all grades, better universities and better weather? Perhaps there are other factors? Do demographics play a role perchance? From Wikipedia: 1) According to 2018 US Census Bureau estimates, California's population was 59.5% White (36.6% Non-Hispanic White), 14.7% Asian, 13.8% Some O…

> Better schools across all grades [citation needed] When I type “california public schools” into DuckDuckGo, the top suggestion is “california public schools bad.” Accepting this, the top three results are: ① “California schools were once the nation's envy. What went wrong?” > The enormous strike in Los Angeles paints a grim picture of wealthy state that is struggling to fund its education system https://www.theguar…

California funds schools mostly at the state level. Other states fund schools mostly at the local level. For wealthy people living in wealthy neighborhoods, local schools are therefore richer in states where they don’t also have to contribute to funding poor people’s kids’ educations. Here’s a clear summary I found describing education funding in CA https://ed100.org/lessons/whopays

The local -> state change to the funding structure in CA a few decades ago has benefitted previously grossly underfunded schools in poorer cities, but it is a trade-off for sure. Arguably almost all of the schools statewide are now underfunded.

One problem with funding schools at the state level is that it has made it very difficult to increase school funding, because it requires support from across the state to raise taxes for it, and (a) most people in the USA are generally opposed to any taxes that they can’t see immediate direct benefit from, and (b) Prop 13 makes the bar for tax increases very high.

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Post by wpasc »

dmode wrote: post #383
scop wrote: post #310

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I live in San Francisco. I literally do not see black people. I largely do not see brown people outside of the service industry (i.e. they are "kept back in the kitchen"). I will largely interact with only white people and asian people on any given day. Where I will be moving to in TX has more diversity than where I live in San Francisco, which is something I am happy about. My children will be seeing more black & br…

You do not see brown people ? Have you, I don't know, been to any tech company ? where vast majorities of engineering groups are brown people ?

Not either of the posters, but in many demographic calculations, those of Indian descent are often referred to as "Asian" or "Indian" with "Brown" often referring to African-descendant or Hispanic.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by boringg »

fairity wrote: post #376
boringg wrote: post #95

It's unfortunate that Elon is leaving California given that the state has really lifted him to the pedestal he is on - through the talent network (highly talented employees, VCs), and the progressive policies that CA built for clean technology (Solar, EVs, Energy Storage). That was paid for on the backs of the people. Funny how short his memory is. Elon is a talented man - I absolutely respect what he's done. However…

I think you're attributing too much credit to California. > Highly talented employees The vast majority of Tesla's "talented" employees came from out of state. Regardless of that, I don't understand the perspective that employment is an act of "taking from the state". Tesla pays above-market salaries. Isn't it, then, more accurate to view employment as Tesla giving back/helping to the community? > Progressive policie…

(1) Tesla actually used to pay below market rate (bay area) and had incredibly demanding working conditions (see drive from Elon carries through the company and that it was a mission based company) for a good period of time. I'm not saying thats good or bad just that they weren't paying above-market. Not sure what the calculus is now that the equity value has gone right off the charts. (2) No you get additional benefits for being in-state manufacturers. (I think its 10% vs 30% in state off capital costs). Referring to in-state policies not the federal ITC tax credit. (3) Not that he would want to spend that money on himself but he would want to put that capital to good use elsewhere. If he doesn't believe the state to be a good deployer of capital he probably doesn't want to give them a large portion of capital at his expense. Less about himself spending lavishly then putting his hard earned capital to waste (one way of looking at it).

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Post by reaperducer »

S_A_P wrote: post #158

Pretty interesting to see this move makes people so salty. There does seem to be a trend of people fleeing California, I dont know enough about the situation out there to comment on whether or not its valid. I suspect something must be going on for several high profile folks moving out. And before you bash Texas, its not perfect. But its pretty diverse, and it seems that folks with opposing viewpoints can still coexi…

And before you bash Texas...

The problem is that most people on HN, and elsewhere on the internet, got everything they know about Texas from watching cartoons on TV. (Same for their knowledge of religion.)

They enjoy repeating half-century-old stereotypes while turning a blind eye to their own region's failings. It's geographic fanboyism.

/Lived in Texas for five years. Also lived in 13 other states. Would return to Texas if the opportunity arose.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by kelnos »

scop wrote: post #310
glitchc wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This doesn't make any sense. Why is the quality of life poorer in California compared to Texas when California has: Better schools across all grades, better universities and better weather? Perhaps there are other factors? Do demographics play a role perchance? From Wikipedia: 1) According to 2018 US Census Bureau estimates, California's population was 59.5% White (36.6% Non-Hispanic White), 14.7% Asian, 13.8% Some O…

I live in San Francisco. I literally do not see black people. I largely do not see brown people outside of the service industry (i.e. they are "kept back in the kitchen"). I will largely interact with only white people and asian people on any given day. Where I will be moving to in TX has more diversity than where I live in San Francisco, which is something I am happy about. My children will be seeing more black & br…

That's... strange. SF's black population has definitely been on the decline (but they're certainly here, all over!), but you must have been actively hiding if your only exposure to brown people was people "kept back in the kitchen".

I'm not going to claim that SF is some amazingly perfect bastion of racial diversity, but if you're mainly only seeing and interacting with white and Asian people here, that speaks more to the circles you spend your time in than the city's diversity.

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