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Re: Former Tesla engineer sues for defamation

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Illinois had a governor arrested while in Office just 12 years ago for corruption. They've had it repeatedly over the last 60 years. Seems like a trend, and not just limited to 1929.

The governor of Missouri was indicted in that same time frame, and the governor of Alabama convicted.

And?

Re: Former Tesla engineer sues for defamation

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Why was this story flagged? Can HN at least provide an explanation? It does not seem to violate HN guidelines: not politics, clickbait or fraud, and could serve as an investigative piece. Just because there is some criticism on a tech darling - it is not even a personal attack. Is HN turning into a liberal censorship site? I thought HN valued curiosity and truth... Note: I am not surprised with people's discourse now…

>Is HN turning into a liberal censorship site? If this was always the case, my apologies. I thought HN valued curiosity and truth...

Years ago, yes. Not so anymore. Last year they flagged/removed all submissions of a NYT op-ed (written by an Indian guy) that blamed rich white liberals for the SFBA housing crisis. Tells you all you need to know about the HN echo chamber

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>Only defense against it is to be as careful choosing your employer as possible. That's not the only defense, this is example #25360432 showing how necessary labor unions are.

"showing how necessary labor unions are" Chicago is a great example of labor unions and how well they work out.

"Eschew flamebait. Don't introduce flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

The GP comment stepped a foot over that line but this is crashing right through it. Please don't. We're trying for curious conversation here, not repetitive bashing.

Re: Former Tesla engineer sues for defamation

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Why was this story flagged? Can HN at least provide an explanation? It does not seem to violate HN guidelines: not politics, clickbait or fraud, and could serve as an investigative piece. Just because there is some criticism on a tech darling - it is not even a personal attack. Is HN turning into a liberal censorship site? I thought HN valued curiosity and truth... Note: I am not surprised with people's discourse now…

>Is HN turning into a liberal censorship site? If this was always the case, my apologies. I thought HN valued curiosity and truth... Years ago, yes. Not so anymore. Last year they flagged/removed all submissions of a NYT op-ed (written by an Indian guy) that blamed rich white liberals for the SFBA housing crisis. Tells you all you need to know about the HN echo chamber

> Tells you all you need to know about the HN echo chamber

Actually it doesn't. Readers would need a link to what you're talking about so they could see for themselves what happened and make up their own minds about it, including whether it's relevant here. Sinister complaints like this never come with links because that would reveal the other side of the story, which is rarely anything like how the sinister complainer is framing it.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...

Edit: while I have you: why is your account named after a war criminal (https://www.google.com/search?q=dirlewanger)? Someone complained to me about this a few weeks ago, and it does seem like a trollish username, which is not allowed here: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...

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I have 500 karma and I don't see a UI element to try to vouch for it.

You can't vouch for stories. You'd have to contact the mods by email.

You can vouch for stories. It works the same way as for comments: click on the timestamp to go to its page, then click 'vouch' at the top (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html#cvouch).

Vouch links only show up when a post is [dead], though. In this case there were enough flags to show [flag] but not enough to kill it.

Re: Former Tesla engineer sues for defamation

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Why was this story flagged? Can HN at least provide an explanation? It does not seem to violate HN guidelines: not politics, clickbait or fraud, and could serve as an investigative piece. Just because there is some criticism on a tech darling - it is not even a personal attack. Is HN turning into a liberal censorship site? I thought HN valued curiosity and truth... Note: I am not surprised with people's discourse now…

Users flagged it. We can only guess why users flag things, but I suspect the baity title played a role, plus the celebrity aspect, plus the political aspect. The story itself seems on topic, so I'm going to turn off the flags and change the title.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25360889.

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Probably the biggest takeaway is, in jurisdictions that permit it, "record all your conversations at work, encrypt them, and hope you never need them." She would be in a totally different situation if she had a tape of Tesla's AGC threatening her friends through their immigration status. That is straight up mafia tactics. Brings to mind this case [1]. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-29388019

That presumes you're in a legal jurisdiction where one-party consent is allowed for recording conversations doesn't it? Otherwise it would be inadmissible.

Inadmissible in court, but you can always leak to the press and see what happens.

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Did you miss the part where Musk announced that employees are to disregard hierarchy and go directly up the chain if it solves problems faster, including all the way to the top? Weeks earlier, in a companywide email, Tesla Chief Executive Elon Musk had dumped on the concept of corporate hierarchy. Find “the fastest way to solve a problem to the benefit of the whole company” and don’t worry about your boss, he told th…

Typical CEO double speak. Senior management at my company says similar things. Then if you look at the HR policy you find the fine print that greatly restricts what was said. I had a department head tell us his door is always open and to contact him about stuff (company policy supports the open door policy). I took him up on it. When I showed up, he had another manager there in addition to himself (it was supposed to…

Except when it's not. Often being cynical will give you accurate expectations, but sometimes not being cynical pays off.

https://thehustle.co/hot-cheetos-inventor/

> In the video, Enrico encouraged every worker at the company to “act like an owner.” Most employees brushed it off as a management cliché; Montañez took it to heart.

> “Here’s my invitation… here’s the CEO telling me, the janitor, that I can act like an owner,” he later recalled. “I didn’t know what I was going to do. Didn’t need to. But I knew I was going to act like an owner.”

(Predictably, his manager was pissed.)

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