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Former Tesla engineer sues for defamation

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Re: Former Tesla engineer sues for defamation

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only the biggest, nastiest unions were able to survive the purge.

The claim that unions are horrible may be true for some large, high profile unions, but what everyone seems to ignore are all the small, totally unknown unions that get shit done.

A good rule of thumb: if the union is so large that it has enough bureaucrats that they have their own Union, then it's likely most of your dues are spent on propagating the Union bureaucracy and not necessarily on aiding the employees the Union represents.

Re: Former Tesla engineer sues for defamation

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It’s nearly impossible to fight defamation like this. Only defense against it is to be as careful choosing your employer as possible. The amount of power they have over your future is insane and in certain situations, like the one in the article, you basically have no recourse.

Probably the biggest takeaway is, in jurisdictions that permit it, "record all your conversations at work, encrypt them, and hope you never need them." She would be in a totally different situation if she had a tape of Tesla's AGC threatening her friends through their immigration status. That is straight up mafia tactics. Brings to mind this case [1]. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-29388019

That presumes you're in a legal jurisdiction where one-party consent is allowed for recording conversations doesn't it? Otherwise it would be inadmissible.

Re: Former Tesla engineer sues for defamation

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post #23

Genuinely curious, why was this flagged?

There is a large contingent of pro-Tesla readers on HN that cannot abide by any criticism of Tesla.

Articles critical of Tesla always get flagged, and most of the time dang unflags them, especially if they're from newspapers like LAT.

Re: Former Tesla engineer sues for defamation

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It’s nearly impossible to fight defamation like this. Only defense against it is to be as careful choosing your employer as possible. The amount of power they have over your future is insane and in certain situations, like the one in the article, you basically have no recourse.

Probably the biggest takeaway is, in jurisdictions that permit it, "record all your conversations at work, encrypt them, and hope you never need them." She would be in a totally different situation if she had a tape of Tesla's AGC threatening her friends through their immigration status. That is straight up mafia tactics. Brings to mind this case [1]. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-29388019

This advice to record things can be dangerous. Laws vary from state to state. Recording someone secretly could be a felony.

The article suggests that unlawful recording is the criminal act that Tesla is alleging she committed.

Re: Former Tesla engineer sues for defamation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably the biggest takeaway is, in jurisdictions that permit it, "record all your conversations at work, encrypt them, and hope you never need them." She would be in a totally different situation if she had a tape of Tesla's AGC threatening her friends through their immigration status. That is straight up mafia tactics. Brings to mind this case [1]. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-29388019

That presumes you're in a legal jurisdiction where one-party consent is allowed for recording conversations doesn't it? Otherwise it would be inadmissible.

Yep. Based on the article, it sounds like the criminal act that Tesla is accusing her of is unlawful recording.

Re: Former Tesla engineer sues for defamation

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So, let's try to be objective about this. Tesla's viewpoint is that Cristina had an internal conflict with other managers regarding the choice of one of the suppliers [0]:

> For example, Ms. Balan was unhappy with a particular supplier that was selected by an internal group of subject matter experts who extensively studied the issue. She took it upon herself to find an alternative supplier that [...]

She herself confirms it (from original article):

> All seemed to be going well until Balan came across what she considered sketchy dealings on supplier contracts and the curling floor mats.

From her fundraiser page, she tried to spin the business disagreement into a "hot topic" gender discrimination issue:

> Soon after I’ve got into an arbitration lawsuit with Tesla based on misclassification, wrongful termination And gender discrimination.

Not knowing the details, this leaves an impression of an opportunistic person who would try all means possible to achieve what she wants, rather than trying to persuade others. The problem with such people is that they can be right in some decisions, wrong in others, but if the rest of the team has to spend 50% of their time catering to that 1 person, it's a net-negative effect on the team. You can call it unfair, but diplomacy and compromises are important if you are working with other people.

Given that, I would be skeptical about other claims she makes:

>Under duress, threatened that if I [did] not sign my resignation I would be handcuffed and dragged to the parking lot …

It's a her-word-against-his case and in such cases both sides are typically trying to bend reality in their favor.

Also, worth noting that Musk has recently announced that he's moving away from California [2], so LA times would have very good reasons for a hit piece like this one.

[0] http://deleter.net/index.php/news/5541/Business/September-11...

[1] https://www.gofundme.com/f/a86fmm-fighting-tesla-for-defamin...

[2] https://www.theverge.com/2020/12/8/22163805/elon-musk-texas-...

Re: Former Tesla engineer sues for defamation

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post #16

It’s nearly impossible to fight defamation like this. Only defense against it is to be as careful choosing your employer as possible. The amount of power they have over your future is insane and in certain situations, like the one in the article, you basically have no recourse.

The article suggests she was fired because she asked for a meeting with Musk about floor mats after failing to get the proper response from the regular chain of command. In my experience, everywhere I worked had a chain of command and consistently stepping outside the chain of command and going over your managers heads rarely leads to good results. From an article mentioned in the LA Times article > She considered le…

Did you miss the part where Musk announced that employees are to disregard hierarchy and go directly up the chain if it solves problems faster, including all the way to the top?

Weeks earlier, in a companywide email, Tesla Chief Executive Elon Musk had dumped on the concept of corporate hierarchy. Find “the fastest way to solve a problem to the benefit of the whole company” and don’t worry about your boss, he told them. Go straight to the top, if need be. Balan took him up on it.

Re: Former Tesla engineer sues for defamation

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That presumes you're in a legal jurisdiction where one-party consent is allowed for recording conversations doesn't it? Otherwise it would be inadmissible.

Yep. Based on the article, it sounds like the criminal act that Tesla is accusing her of is unlawful recording.

It's a solid point, and I've updated my comment accordingly.
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