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To Lose Weight with Exercise, Aim for 300 Minutes a Week

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Re: To Lose Weight with Exercise, Aim for 300 Minutes a Week

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I see a lot of comments from people I suspect have never struggled with weight loss here. "Put the fork down" is easy advice, but for many it's a lot more challenging than it sounds. For me, and I suspect a lot of people, focusing on exercise first is the key. I can plot the number of miles I post on the bike against my weight. Of course I absolutely do more than 300 minutes a week on the bike. Diet is super importan…

"Eat less" is the correct advice for weight less just like "don't drink" is for alcoholics and "don't think of him" is for someone going through a breakup. It's just basically useless advice totally lacking empathy. People are different. They have different bodies, different psychological dispositions, different experiences, etc. I think more people should ask themselves some basic questions. What would need to happe…

> Eat less" is the correct advice for weight less just like "don't drink" is for alcoholics and "don't think of him" is for someone going through a breakup. It's just basically useless advice totally lacking empathy. People are different. They have different bodies, different psychological dispositions, different experiences, etc.

None of what you described changes the example solutions you gave. An alcoholic does need to not drink to improve their health, just like to lose weight you do need to eat fewer calories. The way to solve a problem is to find the solution, and empathy doesn't cure being overweight or addiction. Only when you know the solution can you work backwards to find the steps to get you there from where you are today

Re: To Lose Weight with Exercise, Aim for 300 Minutes a Week

#102

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"Eat less" is the correct advice for weight less just like "don't drink" is for alcoholics and "don't think of him" is for someone going through a breakup. It's just basically useless advice totally lacking empathy. People are different. They have different bodies, different psychological dispositions, different experiences, etc. I think more people should ask themselves some basic questions. What would need to happe…

> Eat less" is the correct advice for weight less just like "don't drink" is for alcoholics and "don't think of him" is for someone going through a breakup. It's just basically useless advice totally lacking empathy. People are different. They have different bodies, different psychological dispositions, different experiences, etc. None of what you described changes the example solutions you gave. An alcoholic does ne…

> empathy doesn't cure being overweight or addiction

No, but it would prevent a lot of insensitive, boneheaded forum posts.

EDIT: Wasn't trying to suggest your post was insensitive or boneheaded.

Re: To Lose Weight with Exercise, Aim for 300 Minutes a Week

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I.e., “you can’t outrun your mouth”

Not sure why you're getting downvotes, but this is correct. Though I've heard it as "you can't outrun your s----y diet".

My personal experience was that it was entirely incorrect. I was gradually gaining weight due to being sedentary and not paying attention to my calorie intake. Once I started exercising regularly I started having to pay attention to my calorie intake because otherwise I didn't eat enough. I significantly outrode my mouth without that even being an explicit goal.

I dislike it as an expression because while fixing your diet is probably the easier thing for most people, it completely disregards the possibility of finding a form of exercise that you enjoy enough to want to do it.

Re: To Lose Weight with Exercise, Aim for 300 Minutes a Week

#104

The majority of weight is lost through respiration, that's the C in CO2. Exercise is great for health, and does help weight loss. But diet is the only thing that is going to resolve this. You consume far more calories in a regular sized Milkyway then you're going to burn exercising in 50 minutes that's for sure. Here's a chart of just those tiny "fun sized" Halloween candies. https://www.popsugar.com/fitness/What-Tak…

Have you ever struggled with weight loss? I mean serious 60-80 pounds overweight and done it successfully? I've spent 30 years bouncing between 260 and 185 pounds. Every single time I've successfully lost weight it started with exercise. Diet alone has absolutely never worked for me.

I have. I went from 235 pounds to 150 pounds in a one year time period. It was consistently between 1-2 pounds lost a week.

Of course human bodies are complex and there is no one size fits all. My anecdotal weight loss won’t match with yours. We can provide our experience so others can draw their own ideas and conclusions from our stories.

It wasn’t really an either or situation for me. Both diet and exercise are needed. The way I looked at it is with the simple model of calories in - calories out = weight change. I think there should be some factor that accounts for sedentary or active, but I don’t know where to fit it in. Like any model, it’s not perfect.

You and you’re used below do not reflect the poster I’m responding to.

If calories in exceeds calories out and your level is sedentary, you’re going to gain weight in the form of fat.

If calories in exceeds calories out and you’re lifting weights, you gain muscle probably with some fat. Think of this as bulking.

If calories in are less than calories out, you’re going to lose weight. If you’re active, then it’s going to have an interaction effect where you lose more weight.

Calories in would be quantity times frequency and would come from the sum of solid and liquid calories (calories in = quantity liquid * frequency liquid + quantity solid * frequency solid). We can manipulate quantity by reducing portion size or reducing calorie content through substituting different, healthier choices. This applies to both liquid and solid calories. We can manipulate frequency by fasting, or eliminating things altogether.

Calories out = calories burned * frequency + base metabolic burn rate. Calories burned should be a rate over time. We manipulate the rate by using more strenuous forms of exercise. We manipulate the time by changing the duration of our sessions. We increase the frequency by having more sessions. We increase the base metabolic burn rate by lifting weights and gaining muscle.

You start by figuring out what your baseline is for both calorie intake and exercise expenditure and then make small adjustments to either increase or decrease. You weigh yourself at the same time on the same day once a week. You look to see progress on a weekly basis. If you’re hitting 1-2 pounds loss, you’re on the right track. When you plateau for a couple of weeks, you need to adjust the parameters. The process needs to be followed.

We probably need some sums and indexes in the above model, and we could probably differentiate between something like steady-state (e.g., walking and meals in the normal course of a day) and perturbations (e.g., cheat meals, fasted days, long hikes, running, gym). Again, it’s a model, and weight loss stories are anecdotal, but I think the point is illustrated. Change your diet and change your exercise regimen to lose weight and have body composition changes.

Re: To Lose Weight with Exercise, Aim for 300 Minutes a Week

#105

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This. Exercise is a hilariously inefficient way to lose weight (but it's really good for you, otherwise). The metabolic boost that vigorous, regular exercise will give you will also make you hungrier, so you're still in the woods if you can't moderate what/how much you eat anyway. Less Cal in than out is the way to go.

> Less Cal in than out is the way to go. That mantra always drives me nuts. Not because it's false (on the contrary, by the laws of thermodynamics it's trivially true), but because it's not helpful for people trying to lose weight as it ignores the dynamic homeostasis systems of the human body. I.e. as reported by this article, if you try to increase your "out" energy expenditure, your body releases hormones specific…

The real issue is that sometimes in life you need to have discipline and willpower, and people are very resistant to that idea. I would counter that the advice is helpful, it's just not what people want to hear because it requires more effort than they want to put in.

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post #78

Admittedly I haven't read tons of scientific research on this topic, but whenever the topic of diet/exercise comes up, I often find the way the question is researched to be lacking. The article mentioned the participants could exercise however they wanted and "many chose to walk". I don't understand why walking is considered exercise. I understand it burns more calories than sitting still, but it doesn't elevate your…

If walking doesn't elevate your heart rate (and you want it to), you simply need to walk faster. Walking at 4 MPH is a moderate intensity exercise for most people.

Re: To Lose Weight with Exercise, Aim for 300 Minutes a Week

#108

Five hours a week is way more than most people who work and have a family can do. Even if you find the time, you might be quite tired and that also eats into your time budget. Also, you might spend maybe 200cal lightly cycling during a zoom call. You will get that back in a few seconds of eating, if you choose something heavy like a chocolate bar. Your best bet then is to just control the incoming calories, because e…

Dedicating 5 hours a week to keeping your body healthy and functioning seems pretty bare minimum expectation. Otherwise your lifestyle is just fully sedentary and you should expect the corresponding health outcomes. Exercise isn't just about the calorie differential, it improves heart function, posture, flexibility, bone mass, mood, etc.

Yeah I didn't mean to say exercise isn't important, it is. Just that it simply isn't in most people's time budget.

Re: To Lose Weight with Exercise, Aim for 300 Minutes a Week

#109

Five hours a week is way more than most people who work and have a family can do. Even if you find the time, you might be quite tired and that also eats into your time budget. Also, you might spend maybe 200cal lightly cycling during a zoom call. You will get that back in a few seconds of eating, if you choose something heavy like a chocolate bar. Your best bet then is to just control the incoming calories, because e…

I'm right there with ya. Kiddo is very young and I can't justify shelling out even 3 extra nanny hours per week for fitness. I try to incorporate/papoose him for as much as I can but there's a lot of stuff I can't do with him attached. Couple that with winters increasing level of difficulty in getting walks in (still trying to figure out how long he can be exposed to the elements before it qualifies as child abuse).

I don't have any advice here; just commiserating. Keep on trucking.

Re: To Lose Weight with Exercise, Aim for 300 Minutes a Week

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I wanted to not have to wonder why my weight was suddenly 30 pounds more than in college, without me remembering how that ever happened. I started exercising with some light running, gym use, breaking a little sweat. Didn't do anything, didn't show any noticeable result over like 4 months. Then I hopped on a rowing machine (above preparation probably helped to be ready for it) because I wanted to see something happen…

+1 for a rowing machine. I started ~3 weeks ago, at first could barely do 5 minutes. Now I do 20. One thing to keep in mind is the weight might not change much because while fat is going away, muscle mass increases.

> One thing to keep in mind is that the weight might not change much because while fat is going away, muscle mass increases.

This is why, when talking about health and fitness with friends, I always try to deemphasize weight loss. When I decided to finally stop being overweight and inactive (I played rec league soccer, which was miserable because it was my only exercises and I was grossly out of shape) I lost 40 pounds, then I put on 20 as I incorporated more strength (bodyweight) training into my routine.

And a couple colleagues who started weightlifting + moderate cardio saw initial losses of maybe 5-10 pounds before their weight became stable, but they were getting in obviously better condition even though they were still above their initial target weights by quite a bit.

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