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With Proton and Steam Play, many Windows games now work on Linux

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Re: With Proton and Steam Play, many Windows games now work on Linux

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Most drivers suffer from this. There's nothing special about anti cheat drivers. It's probably much better tested than the random driver that a hardware manufacture might provide to control some random fan LEDs.

The difference being that a graphic driver is essential to make the hardware work whereas anti-cheat software isn't.

Anti cheat is essential to keep multiplayer games fun

Re: With Proton and Steam Play, many Windows games now work on Linux

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Curious why you care about this?

I don't like the concept of not owning anything anymore. I don't like paying subscriptions for everything to big companies. It's detrimental to consumers.

So why aren't you complaining about Steam then? At least that's somewhat tangentially related to this article.

Re: With Proton and Steam Play, many Windows games now work on Linux

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Another Linux gamer. I seriously don't miss windows anymore. At this point I'm not worried about compatibility, but rather shitty game companies banning you the second they figure out you're playing on linux. This is especially an issue in PvE heavy games that have only small PvP elements. Looking at you Destiny 2. I really wish companies stopped their draconian policies about Linux gaming. Or at the very least just…

I was seriously considering adding Linux support for my game, that already has turn-based multiplayer, and this thread was the last thing I needed to convince myself it could work. Performance may be an issue. I wonder if people would be ok with electron games sold on steam running on linux...

very weird to have this as my most upvoted post, but eh. If there is a time to shill out, it's now:

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Re: With Proton and Steam Play, many Windows games now work on Linux

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I would like to ask you to present some proof for those numbers. There's also tons of legitimate players that can't play at all since the anti-cheat system thinks their install is not good. At which point is it okay for anti-cheat developers to tell customers to get a new PC (with their approved hardware and drivers) and install nothing but clean copy of windows and their game on it? Consider game like Dark Souls 3,…

Here is 200k bans in one game: https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/over-200000-modern-... Anyway, it seems to me that most of those people just need to update their fan control programs. One example I saw was CPU-z which had a CVE in their driver a few years ago. They are using drivewrs with known vulnerabilities. You also need to consider that some cheaters will also spread mis-information.

"Anti-cheat" making their AIOs or fans stop seems more like virus like behavior instead of telling the user maybe they should update or buy different hardware (which even then is shitty behavior just for some damn game).

Re: With Proton and Steam Play, many Windows games now work on Linux

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It works, but still beta quality. Steam still crashes every time I start SteamVR (restarting Steam afterwards works though). There is no official way to play VR videos. Half-Life: Alyx has enough bugs that Valve still does not advertise that it supports Linux on the store page. SteamVR and Half-Life: Alyx have both not been getting many updates on Linux. Maybe I'm wrong and there are fixes coming up but honestly it f…

Is there a Linux version of Half Life Alyx without Proton?

Yes, but as I said it still has some bugs and Valve themselves don't advertise it on the Store page.

Re: With Proton and Steam Play, many Windows games now work on Linux

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Some games seem to report measurably better performance on Linux, even. I imagine outside the steady-state, loading times could be a boon for Linux given that Linux filesystems are "faster"

Almost all games use their own VFS layer which heavily lean toward "few huge files with a lookup table" to work around NTFS' deficiencies. They used to be often chunked into 2 GB files, but since a few years developers stopped doing that. Some games even ship all their assets in a single file.

Historically they do that because of consoles, not NTFS.

Re: With Proton and Steam Play, many Windows games now work on Linux

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Agreed, however after months of being "Linux only" (Manjaro KDE + Proton), just this weekend I broke and installed a Windows as a dual-boot option. 90% of games with Proton "just work" like you said. It is amazing. But then there's that one game that doesn't work, or works but with half the fps... for me, it was Death Stranding. It runs at 60+ fps at 1440p on Windows, but runs at half that on Proton, with horrible ar…

> If CyberPunk is any good, I'm going to buy it and want the best experience... from past experience with CDPR games, you should really wait a good year for all the patches to happen. TW3 was only really playable, like, two years after release

After playing many Bethesda titles I think I can handle CDPR bugs. Skyrim and Fall out are about the buggiest games I’ve played and I never played on launch. Still fun to play.

Once Cyberpunk gets unlocked I might change my mind but for now I’m hopeful.

Re: With Proton and Steam Play, many Windows games now work on Linux

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I tried Ubuntu for a couple of weeks because I felt that the installation procedure for Arch would take some time for me to set up and I wanted to be up and running a bit faster. After 4 weeks and every app having so many hoops to jump through because of snaps to get them working together I jumped ship and went back to Arch and the AUR. It's just such a difference in user experience. I feel that Ubuntu is doing a big…

Out of curiosity, which apps do you use that come packaged in a snap? My Ubuntu 20.04 tells me this: $ snap list Name Version Rev Tracking Publisher Notes canonical-livepatch 9.5.5 95 latest/stable canonical - core 16-2.48 10444 latest/stable canonical core core18 20200929 1932 latest/stable canonical base gnome-3-28-1804 3.28.0-19-g98f9e67.98f9e67 145 latest/stable canonical - gnome-3-34-1804 0+git.3556cb3 60 latest…

Thunderbird, Kdenlive, Darktable, Gimp, KeePassXC, VLC, Minecraft

Those are the ones I remember. I needed to install them via snap because the deb packages were too old to be able to open my files which I copied over from my Arch installation.

Re: With Proton and Steam Play, many Windows games now work on Linux

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Out of curiosity, which apps do you use that come packaged in a snap? My Ubuntu 20.04 tells me this: $ snap list Name Version Rev Tracking Publisher Notes canonical-livepatch 9.5.5 95 latest/stable canonical - core 16-2.48 10444 latest/stable canonical core core18 20200929 1932 latest/stable canonical base gnome-3-28-1804 3.28.0-19-g98f9e67.98f9e67 145 latest/stable canonical - gnome-3-34-1804 0+git.3556cb3 60 latest…

Thunderbird, Kdenlive, Darktable, Gimp, KeePassXC, VLC, Minecraft Those are the ones I remember. I needed to install them via snap because the deb packages were too old to be able to open my files which I copied over from my Arch installation.

This prompted my to investigate. I'm on Thunderbird 68 and the latest release seems to be 78. I think I only need the features of Thunderbird from 15 years ago, so that's ok.

VLC is 3.0.9.2 and GIMP is 2.10.18. No Kdeenlive, Darktable and Minecraft. I'm using KeePassX (not XC) version 2.0.3.

Of course I would install snaps if I absolutely needed an app distributed only as snap but I'd rather use debs.

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