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With Proton and Steam Play, many Windows games now work on Linux

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Re: With Proton and Steam Play, many Windows games now work on Linux

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Post by jagger27 »

bserge wrote: post #494
jagger27 wrote: post #154

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USB 3.0 flash drive made with Microsoft's own installer tool from their website (from another Windows machine). So just to be clear, it fully completes the installation and boots normally the first time, but fails to boot after I install the first Windows Update. I have successfully run Windows 10 on this particular device in the past, which is weird. I only reinstalled it to use a larger SSD. Some Googling suggests…

Well, sadly I can't think of anything that could help... but I will say that some update made my Win10 installation hibernate randomly (event log says due to "CPU overheating" - there is no overheating). I thought it stopped when I converted 2 disks from dynamic (mirror mode) to basic (2 independent drives), but it still happens, albeit way less frequently. Create a mirrored volume and it's 2-3 times a day. I sure as…

I fiddled with it again last night and found that enabling “Ultra Fast Boot” fixed the boot issue I was having. I think I disabled it when I was doing some Hackintosh silliness. My Ethernet is working again too, for some reason.

Re: With Proton and Steam Play, many Windows games now work on Linux

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Post by sudosysgen »

account42 wrote: post #434
sudosysgen wrote: post #397

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It's not actually translating GTK themes to QT, its special themes with both QT and GTK versions.

The linked wiki page lists both.

It lists both for Qt 4, but afaiu for Qt5 you need to use special combined themes.

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Post by vetinari »

johnchristopher wrote: post #261
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The Talos Principle has had a linux version for years, never had any problem running it.

Good for you. But I re downloaded it and it still doesn't work: https://postimg.cc/TygMLfX8

That's interesting...

On this end, it looks this way, when windowed: https://imgur.com/hlrBFc9

And it's not even Xorg session, it is under Wayland -- Wayland won't allow to set a display mode to apps, and for Xrandr it is faked using overlays with correct density.

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Post by Macha »

aaomidi wrote: post #22

Another Linux gamer. I seriously don't miss windows anymore. At this point I'm not worried about compatibility, but rather shitty game companies banning you the second they figure out you're playing on linux. This is especially an issue in PvE heavy games that have only small PvP elements. Looking at you Destiny 2. I really wish companies stopped their draconian policies about Linux gaming. Or at the very least just…

I'm kind of worried we've peaked on Linux compatibility however. We've seen some of the big franchises that supported it in Valve's initial push (Hitman, Football Manager being the two I'm aware of) back away from it in future iterations and Valve themselves now have Epic as a more immediate threat than the Windows store.

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Post by Macha »

OJFord wrote: post #267
p1necone wrote: post #159

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Normally electron apps bother me on linux because they don't use my carefully selected GTK/QT/Openbox theming like most native apps do (whereas on windows I don't care because I don't have the ability to make anything look how I want). But I expect games to be fullscreen and have their own bespoke UI look and feel anyway, so it's not really an issue with them.

Do you have consistency between GTK/Qt, or only within each? I've never really bothered to set it up (just installed some theme I pulled a name from Arch wiki for, so buttons look like they're from this century) because I assumed I could go to a load of effort and still notice which is used for each program I use. And then find myself caring which I install if I have the option, or not wanting to if it's only availab…

Yes: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Uniform_look_for_Qt_and...

(Distros that are not Arch usually set up one of these solutions out of the box).

It works very well for traditional QWidget/GTK style desktop apps. However, with both QtQuick/QML apps and modern Gnome apps, they have more divergent paradigms and particularly the QML apps tend to be less consistent with each other, never mind other UI toolkits, for much of the same reason webapps also are.

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Post by Macha »

izacus wrote: post #98
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Forgive my ignorance, but why do game servers ban Linux players in pvp games? Fear of some sort of modding only available on Linux?

Modern anticheats are basically kernel rootkits which go even to the point of trying to checksum your drivers and inspect how they work. They're basically as invasive as they get. They obviously can't hook into Linux kernel so they react by just banning the player.

Also, if you're going to automate bots on a large scale (for resource farming or just interfering with other players), Linux makes more sense for the same reasons it makes sense for other server based software. Combined with a lower player count, devs decide actual Linux gamers are acceptable collateral damage sometimes.

Or anti-cheats looking for unusual factors of the execution environment that might indicate cheats using DLL hooking, or just something wine does differently to windows.

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Post by pmontra »

jeena wrote: post #402
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With a bit of effort it’s a solved problem, however as soon as that was sorted, developers started using snaps and flatpaks that just Do Not Care about your system settings... and we’re back at square -1, because now you won’t even get consistency between Gtk apps and Gtk apps. The Linux desktop sometimes is like a bad comedy sketch.

I tried Ubuntu for a couple of weeks because I felt that the installation procedure for Arch would take some time for me to set up and I wanted to be up and running a bit faster. After 4 weeks and every app having so many hoops to jump through because of snaps to get them working together I jumped ship and went back to Arch and the AUR. It's just such a difference in user experience. I feel that Ubuntu is doing a big…

Out of curiosity, which apps do you use that come packaged in a snap? My Ubuntu 20.04 tells me this:

  $ snap list
  Name                 Version                     Rev    Tracking         Publisher   Notes
  canonical-livepatch  9.5.5                       95     latest/stable    canonical  -
  core                 16-2.48                     10444  latest/stable    canonical  core
  core18               20200929                    1932   latest/stable    canonical  base
  gnome-3-28-1804      3.28.0-19-g98f9e67.98f9e67  145    latest/stable    canonical  -
  gnome-3-34-1804      0+git.3556cb3               60     latest/stable    canonical  -
  gtk-common-themes    0.1-50-gf7627e4             1514   latest/stable/…  canonical  -
  snap-store           3.38.0-55-geb45541          498    latest/stable/…  canonical  -
I think it's the bare minimum before utterly removing all support for snaps [1].

I installed everything I need either as .deb or docker. BTW, slack has a deb on its download page.

I installed another 20.04 on my old laptop from 2006 yesterday because I read that its kernel would finally support again the old ATI X1600 graphic card. It does. When I run emacs and thunderbird from terminal it told me "command not found" and something along the lines of do you want to install as a snap or with apt? I run the apt commands.

[1] https://www.kevin-custer.com/blog/disabling-snaps-in-ubuntu-...

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Post by als0 »

account42 wrote: post #451
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I recently ordered a Valve Index + gaming PC. How's the VR support on Linux looking like? I'd rather not install Windows if I have to.

It works, but still beta quality. Steam still crashes every time I start SteamVR (restarting Steam afterwards works though). There is no official way to play VR videos. Half-Life: Alyx has enough bugs that Valve still does not advertise that it supports Linux on the store page. SteamVR and Half-Life: Alyx have both not been getting many updates on Linux. Maybe I'm wrong and there are fixes coming up but honestly it f…

Is there a Linux version of Half Life Alyx without Proton?

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Post by b0rsuk »

CivBase wrote: post #502
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I think their policies have more to do with support costs than anything else. As much as I love playing on Linux and wine, you have to admit there are more technical issues with Linux. People who have low tolerance for glitches and problem solving to get their games working would be up in arms. The last example is Hyper Light Drifter. No matter which forum, the latest threads include several about Linux specific prob…

Seems to me like there should be something like a "Docker for games" which uses container tech to create a lightweight, predictable execution environment for video games. I suppose that's kind of what Proton does, although it focuses on emulating a Windows environment in particular.

In all honesty, I ran Riven through wine, and Proton is a wrapper around wine and some other tools to cover the rough edges.

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Post by blaser-waffle »

Joining my voice to the choir: Proton works pretty dang well.

I've made Skyrim, Fallout, GTA 5, etc. work (or kind of work) under WINE and Proton is so much easier and cleaner. On top of the Linux native games, like those from Paradox, I've got no reason to use Windows outside of my work laptop -- I do AD admin stuff occasionally so a Win10 box is useful there...

But solid 10/10, would recommend Proton.

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