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EU countries team up for semiconductor push
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#162Earlier quoted context omitted.
- Not everybody from Europe wants to go to North America - US specifically starts to feel weird for non US citizens - There are immigration laws
" US specifically starts to feel weird for non US citizens". - The US is the largest importer of immigrants now and for many decades prior. Weird, right?
That’s because it’s large; on a per capita basis that’s not true.
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#163How will they be keeping talent? I heard workers in IT are paid low compared to other jobs and especially compared to similar jobs in North America, what stops them. from just going to US/Canada?
I'm in the US. The company I work for also hires remote contractors from Europe. We do basically the same thing (software development). One guy I'm close with, and we've talked about our salaries. I make 200k My friend in Europe makes 30k. The difference is astounding.
Eastern Europe, presumably?
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#164Earlier quoted context omitted.
Although Microsoft really started as a subcontractor for IBM, which again shows the knock-on effects good government subsidies can have. Hadn't the DoD started SV, most of these companies wouldn't exist today.
Had WW2 never happen or the US not be in such an advantageous geographical position away from the "trouble" , SV might not exist today. The snowball/butterfly effect is real.
SV, Hollywood, the Aerospace-Defense Industry. All of it by purposeful accident.
I feel like some in tech want to take responsibility, somehow that American's are just better tech-bros than anyone else. It was mostly chance.
Call it what it is, a gift. And take care of it, they only get made by luck.
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#165Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sounds like you're comparing revenue with market cap, which doesn't make much sense. Apple's recent annual revenue was ~275B.
I assumed the 440B was the market cap of the industry. Why would they mention revenue without specifying.
Because it's quite standard to mention sales, you know, actual revenue, not market cap, which can be 1 today and 1 billion tomorrow, depending how the hype trains move.
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#166What will actually happen: some countries will spend a trivial amount of money in a PR stunt with not coordination between the countries and result in no advance for the EU countries participating. Source: All other industries in Europe.
Let's put Ursula von der Leyen on this then!
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#167Earlier quoted context omitted.
Most competitive chips in the world are produced by machines made in the Netherlands at ASMI/ASML The US companies do what they do best: innovate business models and find ways to vendor lock in and own the market. But who's been doing all the research keeping moore's law alive? Lithography? For a country as small as the Netherlands, you can wonder if we could afford from a geopolitical point of view to be producing a…
> It does make it baffling why Intel is unable to produce 5nn chips with the same ASML machines TSC is using. It must be management failing Boeing style. ASML machines do not produce chips, they're just ones doing the etching. There is a ton around what you do with it, and how all the rest of the chip is produced. They don't come with pre-programmed transistor gate templates. Each fab company has its own libraries of…
> the consensus seems to be that Intel tried to pile up too many new improvements, which backfired. TSMC took a more incremental and safe approach
Can you point to some industry literature that explains this?
If this is true, it is a lot more surprising that Intel is talking about going fabless. You build a lot of expertise by rolling the dice on new techniques that don't pan out on the first iteration. People wouldn't be so pessimistic about Boeing if they had just been overly aggressive in a new airframe design, rather than failing to safely mount new engines on an old design.
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#168How will they be keeping talent? I heard workers in IT are paid low compared to other jobs and especially compared to similar jobs in North America, what stops them. from just going to US/Canada?
Having lived in both (and being a citizen of neither): quality of life. Your headline salary in the Us is higher but disposable income is often lower. You spend more time managing your life in the USA with less time left to live it.
Some people enjoy that of course. I do find the working environment better in the US, and I enjoy my work, but on most other parameters it’s inferior.
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#169I interpret this as: We are sovereign entities and we need to be able to use technology without having to worry about any backdoors and other threats to our national security. As such we're going to build our own tech, and we might even slip some of our own 'medecine' in there too ...
My .2$
Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push
#170How will they be keeping talent? I heard workers in IT are paid low compared to other jobs and especially compared to similar jobs in North America, what stops them. from just going to US/Canada?
They can try making the wage gap not huge, it doesn't have to be 100% U.S money, 60-70% is probably enough. Not everyone is gonna migrate for 30% more cash. Some will, some won't.