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First person receives Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine in UK

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Re: First person receives Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine in UK

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J-dawg wrote: post #228
krona wrote: post #116

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> It seems almost impossible that the vaccines pose a greater risk than the risk of not using them. How about to a baby, or an unborn baby? The relative risk is almost certainly higher to a baby, but how high? We don't know, since there haven't been any longitudinal studies (for starters.) Which is why it would be unethical outside a clinical trial to administer it to younger people en masse. Eventually the relative…

The UK government has already stated that pregnant women won't be getting the vaccine. ( https://inews.co.uk/news/health/covid-vaccine-pregnant-women... ) This seems at odds with the gung-ho "it's 100% safe" rhetoric of our politicians. I am by no means an anti-vaxxer, but I'm already finding it creepy the way any concerns are simply being dismissed. It's also just bad policy: it means that any unexpected side-effect…

I've yet to hear anyone say "it's 100% safe". Any sources?

I mean really it's one of those things like driving to the shops that is pretty safe but not 100% and I think most people can figure that.

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Post by tim333 »

bingbong70 wrote: post #163
SlateBlate wrote: post #59

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Why is this comment getting downvoted? seems like a fair question. I've seen this now in several threads where even questioning side effects of the vaccine gets downvoted and looked down upon like they did something illegal. This is not HN I used to know.

I find it hilarious that the HN audience with "science-backgrounds" are rushing to inject "first generation tech" into their bodies. I remember many people stated they would wait until the 3rd generation of VR headsets before purchasing one. I guess some knowledge & intuitions don't generalize. Reminds me of a tech-savvy Youtuber that stated "I'm teaching myself to trust Tesla autopilot and ignore my need to fearfull…

Delaying buying a VR headset doesn't create a significant risk of death. Different situation.

Re: First person receives Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine in UK

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CivBase wrote: post #197

> First person receives Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine in UK *after getting approval from regulators Tens of thousands already received the vaccine during trials. This marks the official rollout with general public availability (pending supply issues), so that's cool. It's just weird that the article refers to this dose in particular as a "historic event".

It is historic as in when they write the history it'll go something like covid was first detected in Wuhan in Dec 19, a mass vaccination program started on 8th Dec 20 and ...

Re: First person receives Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine in UK

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Post by tim333 »

howlgarnish wrote: post #170
refurb wrote: post #119

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I don't think private parties will have any access to vaccine for a while. Can you imagine the shit storm if some wealth person got vaccinated ahead of the doctors treating dying Covid patients. Ain't gonna happen.

I've already heard stories about people in both China and Russia using bribes/connections to get themselves or relatives into vaccine trials. In particular, the Chinese military has been vaccinating its own since June. https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/covid-vaccine-approved-milita...

Not really bribes, just go to the Taihe Hospital in Beijing and pay to be vaccinated. The Chinese are more laid back about regulating stuff. https://time.com/5902646/china-covid-19-vaccine/

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Post by tim333 »

briefcomment wrote: post #98
ck2 wrote: post #14

Good luck to the average person getting it in the USA before March. Even with half the population refusing it because the anti-vax people might be even more crazy than the anti-maskers. Which makes you wonder which country will have covid longest.

Can someone explain why it’s not enough to just vaccinate people who want to get vaccinated? Doesn’t that cover everyone who wants to avoid covid19?

There's probably a good chunk of people who want neither covid nor the vaccine. Life's messy like that.

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Post by blackrock »

bagacrap wrote: post #344
n4r9 wrote: post #327

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What do you mean it "doesn't prevent infection"? Trials showed vastly reduced infection rate amongst people who'd had the vaccine.

It prevented symptomatic covid , but we still don't know if it prevents transmission of the virus itself. It might just turn you into an asymptomatic spreader.

What? This is the first I heard of this.

The Pfizer vaccine is the mRNA vaccine. And it doesn’t prevent you from getting sick.

But it might turn you into an asymptomatic spreader?

Oh great. Do you have sources?

This thing is going to turn us all into walking zombies. LOL.

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Post by taxicabjesus »

oblio wrote: post #325
bserge wrote: post #269

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I'm just going to write it: There's always going to be a minority that's shafted by the medical community, we don't matter as long as the majority benefits (fair enough imo, except I can't do shit even if I sign up to absolve everyone of responsibility and take it all on myself). There will be side effects, they will be dismissed by doctors, people will be marginalized, called uneducated morons and pushed towards mor…

> There will be side effects Everything in life has side effects. Everything in life has trade offs. It's not about the lack of side effects or even their magnitude or severity, it's about balance: do they help more than they harm? The most innocent substance out there, water, can kill you. And I don't mean drowning. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication Many of the arguments people make about modern med…

In the United States, "modern medicine" is sometimes a jobs project or wealth transfer scheme. Sometimes people are helped.

I found a neat link a year ago about how the medical system happily pays for fabulously-expensive interventions, but won't pay for things patients actually need: "Which Interventions Can Be Paid For: The Explanatory Power of 'Prasad’s Law'"- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21728864

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zensavona wrote: post #362
watwut wrote: post #351

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The risk of rape or other non consensual act or blackmail in kinky sex is not low. Most aint gonna call cops and people know it.

One could also make the argument that to be participating in "kinky sex" in the first place a person probably has thought more about sex than the average person and may have more experience communicating what they do and don't like - making verbal consent and discussions around these topics more likely to have happened.

It does not matter how clearly you communicated what you like, if the person you are with decided it is more fun for him/her to ignore your wish. And in worst case, if you allowed that person to tie you, you really cant do much. And afaik, that is real risk in those encounters.

Plus, people are ashamed to tell cops they participated on kinky sex, because they dont want that part of their sex life public. Meaning abusers have ideal situation in a lot of ways.

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blackrock wrote: post #376
bagacrap wrote: post #344

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It prevented symptomatic covid , but we still don't know if it prevents transmission of the virus itself. It might just turn you into an asymptomatic spreader.

What? This is the first I heard of this. The Pfizer vaccine is the mRNA vaccine. And it doesn’t prevent you from getting sick. But it might turn you into an asymptomatic spreader? Oh great. Do you have sources? This thing is going to turn us all into walking zombies. LOL.

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Re: First person receives Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine in UK

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Post by oblio »

taxicabjesus wrote: post #377
oblio wrote: post #325

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> There will be side effects Everything in life has side effects. Everything in life has trade offs. It's not about the lack of side effects or even their magnitude or severity, it's about balance: do they help more than they harm? The most innocent substance out there, water, can kill you. And I don't mean drowning. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication Many of the arguments people make about modern med…

In the United States, "modern medicine" is sometimes a jobs project or wealth transfer scheme. Sometimes people are helped. I found a neat link a year ago about how the medical system happily pays for fabulously-expensive interventions, but won't pay for things patients actually need: "Which Interventions Can Be Paid For: The Explanatory Power of 'Prasad’s Law'"- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21728864

The grand parent post wasn't commenting about the US, it was commenting about Europe:

> Right now, the pharma/medical industries are all-powerful. Can't do anything significant without them involved, and if your doctors turn out to be idiots with a degree, well you're shit out of luck, especially in Europe, where the holy universal healthcare can not be questioned.

Where such abuses are rarer. The US healthcare system is broken, at least keep an eye on what other countries are doing. If say, Iceland, Germany, Italy, Japan start vaccinating, maybe it's time to get vaccinated ;-)

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