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I have a feeling they are going to switch RHEL to the same model that Ubuntu follows, where it’s free to download and use, with no license to worry about or anything, and then there’s an optional support contract you can add to it if you want paid support.
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> What about everybody who built their product on the assumption that there would be a stable CentOS until then? 1. They can start paying RedHat 2. They can hire/delegate someone to maintain patches for them 3. They can migrate to something else ;)
Oracle already has a clone that performs an in-place conversion of an installed CentOS 7 system. There is a page describing the conversion: https://linux.oracle.com/switch/centos/ They have a shell script to convert a CentOS install to Oracle Linux, so you can buy support if you want. The converter only works with versions 5, 6, and 7. It does not work with CentOS 8. It would be nice if that could get updated.
(My opinions are my own, and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer; I'm in support at the moment, so foresee myself having to deal with the aftermath of this CentOS decision a year from now)
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A community-controlled organization could just opt to not be acquired (and indeed should, given this precedent).
This sort of cloning effort tend to live in contractual grey areas. Would that community (of people who got together to avoid paying for licenses) be ready to pay to defend developers from expensive lawsuits filed by one of the wealthiest corporates on the planet? Or rather, would developers in charge of such projects believe that? An acqui-hire with fuck-you money on one side, vs years of pain and likely bankruptcy…
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Agreed, a significant part of Linux's graphical stack (GNOME, mesa, pipewire, etc.) is maintained by people whose email end in @redhat.com
For now. As with all acquisitions it's only a matter of when.
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Wonder if the web hosting industry will rebel and build another RHEL clone project that just gets the 10-year supported patches. Red Hat still has to release the patches, right? A really big chunk of the world's traditionally shared hosted websites run on CentOS, because most commercial control panel packages and hosting automation systems are built for that. A rebadged CentOS is also AWS's default distro. Wonder of…
There's a silent but relatively big user base of CentOS in HPC and scientific computing. ScientificLinux and CentOS rules all HPC clusters. Clusters are like enterprise servers. Big, monolithic, rarely upgraded. They're upgraded in one big-fell swoop and left to run. There'll be another clone of RHEL since HPC can't accept CentOS Stream as the alternative. The whole infra is too big to move to Debian too. So with tod…
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RedHat provides developer subscriptions to their products: https://developers.redhat.com/articles/getting-red-hat-devel...
And this will be expanding to cover more use cases. See https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/faq-centos-stream-updates#Q10 : _In the first half of 2021, we will be introducing low- or no-cost programs for a variety of use cases, including options for open source projects and communities, partner ecosystems and an expansion of the use cases of the Red Hat Enterprise Linux Developer subscription to better serve the needs of…
Your only option is to migrate away from RHEL/CentOS, period. It's likely that Red Hat doesn't care much about us smaller orgs with only 100-200 servers/VMs though. Sad day.
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>> Imagine if you were running a business, and deployed CentOS 8 based on the 10 year lifespan promise. You're totally screwed now, and Red Hat knows it. The hypothetical you posed is the actual situation, I am now learning, I have apparently forced on my team. We've ramped up labor 3x revenue preparing product launch in 90 - 180 days. We created an image containing centos 8 , Java , postgres and tomcat a year ago an…
Out of curiosity why did you decide to deploy your application as a VM image? Is there a reason you didn't go with a Helm chart or other container native deployment?
As a sysadmin i have never heard of this and es tun 800 VMs.
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Your forgetting Suse, I'll bet they take a big chunk of the customer base. OpenSuse LEAP is now identical to SLES and it can be converted easily if you want support.
But LEAP is only supported for 36 months? https://en.opensuse.org/Lifetime That's pretty weak sauce even compared to the five years Debian and Ubuntu offer. And Debian actually supports all their packages, unlike Ubuntu which tricks people into installing unpatched garbage from 'universe'
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Ubuntu is by far the most used Linux distro on server, the problem with CentOS / RHEL is they did not support recent kernel for a long time, so you see very few cloud servers with those distro, especially since Docker / Kubernetes took off. Also RHEL is not free so there is no way it's "popular" outside of very enterprise needs ( HPC ect ... ). At previous work they moved away from CentOS to use Ubuntu because libc w…
I'd actually be interested to see those numbers. Do you have any evidence to support that claim? It'd be very interesting for us in terms of priorising supported distros. A bit of googling didn't lead to much. You could be biased by your own job/experience. Most IT doesn't run on the Cloud or in Kubernetes (yet).
Those are numbers for EC2 so a fairly accurate measurement.