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Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by Macha »

elteto wrote: post #137
mattdm wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And this will be expanding to cover more use cases. See https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/faq-centos-stream-updates#Q10 : _In the first half of 2021, we will be introducing low- or no-cost programs for a variety of use cases, including options for open source projects and communities, partner ecosystems and an expansion of the use cases of the Red Hat Enterprise Linux Developer subscription to better serve the needs of…

And these licenses and subscriptions come and go at the whim of the corporations that own them. Nobody informed would base their open source project/community/ecosystem on something like this, unless they want to be left out in the cold when the plug gets pulled in the future.

See today's other news about Travis for an example of why

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by pnutjam »

mattdm wrote: post #97
charlesdaniels wrote: post #28

Having been a Debian/Ubuntu person for a long time, and being somewhat dissatisfied with that ecosystem, I recently started evaluating CentOS for my use cases instead. I want something with a non-rolling update model, so I don't have to deal with my environment changing out from under me. CentOS 8 had been mostly working well for me, barring a few missing packages that were easy to port over myself, and I was really…

I think there might be some confusion about "rolling" in the context of CentOS Stream. The updates are continuous and there's not released minor versions, but all changes are changes that are intended to _very shortly_ land in the next every-six-months minor release of RHEL. So you aren't going to suddenly see more "environment changing out from under me" than you would on RHEL or CentOS Linux.

OpenSuse, and Suse give you more control over minor release version changes. You have to manually change your repos with some scripts before you patch. The RH way of just rolling you from minor release to minor release invisibly has always kind of irritated me.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by 1_player »

tomnipotent wrote: post #189
omniglottal wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How dare tens of thousands of developers produce a free operating system, and it gets sold by one business who added graphics of a trademarked hat?

You do realize that a non-trivial number of contributions to Linux come from professional developers working at companies like Google, IBM, and RH?

Agreed, a significant part of Linux's graphical stack (GNOME, mesa, pipewire, etc.) is maintained by people whose email end in @redhat.com

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by zxspectrum1982 »

apecat wrote: post #168
zxspectrum1982 wrote: post #151

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That already exists and is called CloudLinux. It is very cheap but not free. Other RHEL-clones: Oracle Linux (best one), Springdale Linux. Other alternatives: openSUSE Leap and Debian. I am not even listing Ubuntu because I hate it since snaps.

Oh cool. As for CloudLinux, "not free" probably scale for some hosting environments, including non-managed cloud instances. But something like Springdale, given resources, might be able to provide. They're still tracking RHEL 7, though. Debian and Ubuntu, which offer five years of Long Term Support are the next best thing available, and that's already kind of tight for long-term deployments of self-hosted, old-fashio…

Springdale Linux is on RHEL 8.3 but their homepage is awfully out of date.

Here's the full ISO for 8.1: http://puias.princeton.edu/data/puias/8.1/x86_64/iso/

And then you can add the repos to update to 8.3: http://puias.princeton.edu/data/puias/8.3/

Or you can take the small ("boot") ISO and install 8.3 directy: http://puias.princeton.edu/data/puias/8.3/x86_64/os/images/

In fact, they are even building Springdale Linux 8 for i386, which RHEL and CentOS never did.

If you need more than three years on openSUSE Leap, then you need to upgrade to SUSE Linux Enterprise Server.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by viraptor »

ossusermivami wrote: post #220
garyrichardson wrote: post #208

There's lots of negative reaction going on, but this has happened before. CentOS grew out of RedHat Linux going away and Fedora being the feeder for RHEL. At the time there were a bunch of competitors that were building the RHEL source. CentOS ended up "winning". I fully expect this to happen again. CentOS will wither and die because no one actually needs the cutting edge repo -- Ubuntu has a way better process for t…

i don't think in 10 years we will be installing distro on servers as we know it, watch this space!

Are you thinking about RedHat Atomic Linux Server?

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by vbezhenar »

em500 wrote: post #207
voxadam wrote: post #190

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FAQ: CentOS Stream Updates @ Red Hat[0] Q: What does this mean for users of CentOS Linux? The creation of CentOS Stream provides a new mechanism for partners and community members to add innovation to the next version of RHEL as it’s being built instead of after it’s built. We also recognize that there are different kinds of CentOS Linux users, and we are working with the CentOS Project Governing Board to tailor prog…

LOL at the corporate guff. The primary use case of CentOS is "I want to run RHEL without paying anyone anything". The best way to "serve that need"? Don't kill off CentOS 8.3+.

Actually the best way is to allow free use of RHEL for those who don't want to pay for it.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by aprdm »

ossusermivami wrote: post #220
garyrichardson wrote: post #208

There's lots of negative reaction going on, but this has happened before. CentOS grew out of RedHat Linux going away and Fedora being the feeder for RHEL. At the time there were a bunch of competitors that were building the RHEL source. CentOS ended up "winning". I fully expect this to happen again. CentOS will wither and die because no one actually needs the cutting edge repo -- Ubuntu has a way better process for t…

i don't think in 10 years we will be installing distro on servers as we know it, watch this space!

What will change...? A lot of F500 companies have a lot of infrastructure and changes are not fast.. HPC industry is another one of those. Unless you mean startups?

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by vbezhenar »

Jimmc414 wrote: post #266
awill wrote: post #109

This is awful. It's proof of the downsides to the IBM acquisition, which I think we all knew was coming. Imagine if you were running a business, and deployed CentOS 8 based on the 10 year lifespan promise. You're totally screwed now, and Red Hat knows it. Why on earth didn't they make this switch starting with CentOS 9???? Let's not sugar coat this. They've betrayed their users. I personally run a CentOS 7 server (as…

>> Imagine if you were running a business, and deployed CentOS 8 based on the 10 year lifespan promise. You're totally screwed now, and Red Hat knows it. The hypothetical you posed is the actual situation, I am now learning, I have apparently forced on my team. We've ramped up labor 3x revenue preparing product launch in 90 - 180 days. We created an image containing centos 8 , Java , postgres and tomcat a year ago an…

Consider downgrading to CentOS 7. It should work for 4 more years.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by znpy »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #212
zxspectrum1982 wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That already exists and is called CloudLinux. It is very cheap but not free. Other RHEL-clones: Oracle Linux (best one), Springdale Linux. Other alternatives: openSUSE Leap and Debian. I am not even listing Ubuntu because I hate it since snaps.

TIL Scientific Linux was discontinued in favor of CentOS :(

I guess it'll make a comeback.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by apecat »

pnutjam wrote: post #273
busterarm wrote: post #192

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Because some important vendors don't target Debian whereas they do target Ubuntu. Canonical and RedHat are paying the salaries of the people steering the direction of Linux as a whole. They're forcing you to choose between the two.

Your forgetting Suse, I'll bet they take a big chunk of the customer base. OpenSuse LEAP is now identical to SLES and it can be converted easily if you want support.

But LEAP is only supported for 36 months? https://en.opensuse.org/Lifetime

That's pretty weak sauce even compared to the five years Debian and Ubuntu offer. And Debian actually supports all their packages, unlike Ubuntu which tricks people into installing unpatched garbage from 'universe'

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