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CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by happyjack »

zxspectrum1982 wrote: post #180
FeistySkink wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the package management like? Does it support flatpaks? And what about LTS?

Packages are RPMS, managed with zypper. You may also use dnf but you will miss some of the advanced features provided by dnf (e. g. the concept of patches vs updates), there was a zypper vs dnf thread recently in the openSUSE mailing lists. It does support flatpaks. There is no free openSUSE LTS. The LTS is called SUSE Linux Enterprise Server, costs some money (unless you are a developer, in that case you get free su…

I have always wanted to try SUSE!

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by paulryanrogers »

zxspectrum1982 wrote: post #151
apecat wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wonder if the web hosting industry will rebel and build another RHEL clone project that just gets the 10-year supported patches. Red Hat still has to release the patches, right? A really big chunk of the world's traditionally shared hosted websites run on CentOS, because most commercial control panel packages and hosting automation systems are built for that. A rebadged CentOS is also AWS's default distro. Wonder of…

That already exists and is called CloudLinux. It is very cheap but not free. Other RHEL-clones: Oracle Linux (best one), Springdale Linux. Other alternatives: openSUSE Leap and Debian. I am not even listing Ubuntu because I hate it since snaps.

TIL Scientific Linux was discontinued in favor of CentOS :(

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by Tsiklon »

I used to work for a hosting firm who had large numbers of customers making use of CentOS for their pre-production environments, running RHEL for their production.

This announcement is a kick in the teeth to those customers, as the transition to RHEL 8 for these pre-production environments will feel very much like a shakedown.

I feel this is tremendously damaging for Red Hat's reputation and the goodwill developers had towards them.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by chasil »

digitalsushi wrote: post #196
chasil wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hello, Oracle Linux. http://linux.oracle.com

isn't Oracle Linux just CentOS wtih an oracle sticker and a contract?

Oracle has a page describing the difference:

https://linux.oracle.com/switch/centos/

They have a shell script to convert a CentOS install to Oracle Linux, so you can buy support if you want.

The converter only works with versions 5, 6, and 7.

It does not work with CentOS 8. It would be nice if that could get updated.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by ossusermivami »

jmnicolas wrote: post #200
awill wrote: post #109

This is awful. It's proof of the downsides to the IBM acquisition, which I think we all knew was coming. Imagine if you were running a business, and deployed CentOS 8 based on the 10 year lifespan promise. You're totally screwed now, and Red Hat knows it. Why on earth didn't they make this switch starting with CentOS 9???? Let's not sugar coat this. They've betrayed their users. I personally run a CentOS 7 server (as…

Yes this hurts. My use case is specific: I'm a dev but since we're 2 in the IT service with barely any budget I'm also a (modest) sysadmin and they also call me when the printer or the TV doesn't work. So a few years ago when Debian decided to have faster release cycles I migrated all my VM to CentOS: once the OS is installed I don't want to think about it for the next 10 years. I still didn't finish my Windows 7 to…

nothing is really free in this word! I think rollling your own distro is the only way to truly be free!

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by adamc »

mrweasel wrote: post #93
Veen wrote: post #77

> If you are using CentOS Linux 8 in a production environment, and are concerned that CentOS Stream will not meet your needs, we encourage you to contact Red Hat about options. Not exactly unexpected, but disappointing: if you want to continue using something like CentOS, pay for RHEL. Lots of web hosting providers will be quite concerned.

Why exactly is that disappointing? Isn't it more disappointing that some companies expect to be able to run the same OS for 13 years and get security patches backported for free? I don't think this will hurt RedHat at all. How many RHEL customers are actually generated as a result of providing CentOS for free? Not many I suspect. Those who want to learn about RHEL can still get Fedora, or CentOS Stream, or a RedHat d…

It will hurt indirectly, because a lot of developers/devops/sys admins get skills working on CentOS which are then portable to RHEL. Now they won't. Network effects of being popular are significant.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by adamc »

jsiepkes wrote: post #33
kcb wrote: post #8

So CentOS is no longer relevant for production use. I wonder who stands to benefit. I really don't see it driving more sales to RHEL like the execs probably predict.

RedHat will probably get a one time boost in RHEL sales at the expense that the void created by the CentOS project will be filled by some CentOS-fork they have no control over. Maybe they have some grand scheme I'm not seeing but it feels short sighted.

Arguably, IBM has done a lot of short-term things in recent decades.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by ossusermivami »

garyrichardson wrote: post #208

There's lots of negative reaction going on, but this has happened before. CentOS grew out of RedHat Linux going away and Fedora being the feeder for RHEL. At the time there were a bunch of competitors that were building the RHEL source. CentOS ended up "winning". I fully expect this to happen again. CentOS will wither and die because no one actually needs the cutting edge repo -- Ubuntu has a way better process for t…

i don't think in 10 years we will be installing distro on servers as we know it, watch this space!
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