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Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Can you back that number up? In my corner of the world Ubuntu plays no role at all on servers. It's all CentOS/RHEL here.

Ubuntu is by far the most used Linux distro on server, the problem with CentOS / RHEL is they did not support recent kernel for a long time, so you see very few cloud servers with those distro, especially since Docker / Kubernetes took off. Also RHEL is not free so there is no way it's "popular" outside of very enterprise needs ( HPC ect ... ). At previous work they moved away from CentOS to use Ubuntu because libc w…

I'd actually be interested to see those numbers. Do you have any evidence to support that claim?

It'd be very interesting for us in terms of priorising supported distros. A bit of googling didn't lead to much.

You could be biased by your own job/experience. Most IT doesn't run on the Cloud or in Kubernetes (yet).

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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I disagree I think RHEL and CentOS go/went hand in hand. With RHEL being used and licensed depending on the project or the environment. Binary compatibility and the uniformity of managing both being the big selling point. Now the closest alternative is Canonical with Ubuntu Server which can be installed wherever with no strings and support purchased as required.

Yeah but how long before Canonical pull the same move as RedHat? The way i see it, Canonical is trying to build a moat (lastly with Snap). I think I'm going back to Debian for my servers. i wish they add 10 years lts though.

Debian is exactly like CentOS - community driven. The exact same thing could happen there.

If you want guaranteed updates backed by a contract, choose Ubuntu or RHEL.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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To me this news is at once shocking, and blindingly obvious in hindsight. Shocking, because I'd never imagined they'd kill off CentOS 8 so early. CentOS 8.0 dates from Sept 2019, so it's killed in just the 3rd year of its presumed 10 year lifespan. I could read the tea leaves when they announced this Stream thingy recently, but I'd thought they would at least hold off till RHEL9 to pull the lever. Blindingly obvious,…

Its time for a new internet rule. If Oracle or IBM buys your vendor, you should be migrating.

Should probably add Salesforce to that list too. They’re basically the new Oracle.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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To me this news is at once shocking, and blindingly obvious in hindsight. Shocking, because I'd never imagined they'd kill off CentOS 8 so early. CentOS 8.0 dates from Sept 2019, so it's killed in just the 3rd year of its presumed 10 year lifespan. I could read the tea leaves when they announced this Stream thingy recently, but I'd thought they would at least hold off till RHEL9 to pull the lever. Blindingly obvious,…

FreeBSD is starting to look really good.

What are the usual roadblocks for people?

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Wow. I kind of new this day was coming. I work in engineering / science (not comp. sci or developing) and all our software vendors are Windows or RHEL support only. Although if you know your way around linux any flavor will do, but RHEL is the "standard" for support. It's kind of like "insurance." We expect this to compile / work for RHEL and NOTHING else, because RHEL is stable, predictable, and boring. I've run mos…

I have been using openSUSE. It's been pretty stable on the laptop. On laptop, I use the Tumbleweed (rolling release) and 15.1 or 15.2 on servers. Give it a try.

If you’re going to use Tumbleweed you might as well use CentOS stream, no?

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Oracle Linux is free with optional paid support. "Unlike many other commercial Linux distributions, Oracle Linux is easy to download and completely free to use, distribute, and update. Oracle Linux is available under the GNU General Public License (GPLv2). Support contracts are available from Oracle. " https://www.oracle.com/a/ocom/docs/027617.pdf [PDF]

never, Ever, EVER trust Oracle. Especially with something as important as an open source product. Evidence: Oracle's Sen. VP Glueck statement that "There is no math that can justify open source from a cost perspective." No chance you'll ever see me running OEL.

Are there any license traps in Oracle Linux?

Writing like this makes me very wary of putting Oracle Linux anywhere near my employer's systems

https://www.computerworld.com/article/2992597/law-firm-warns...

https://blog.dbwatch.com/how-to-avoid-oracles-licensing-trap...

Then there's the famous lawn mover quote from Bryan Cantrill https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5170246

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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I have a feeling they are going to switch RHEL to the same model that Ubuntu follows, where it’s free to download and use, with no license to worry about or anything, and then there’s an optional support contract you can add to it if you want paid support.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Can you help me understand why GPL v2 3(b) doesn't obligate Red Hat to provide source code for the kernel, as an example, to anyone who asks? >3. You may copy and distribute the Program (or a work based on it, under Section 2) in object code or executable form under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above provided that you also do one of the following: > b) Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three year…

Because Red Hat offers source code following section 3(a) instead. Thus, section 3(b) does not apply.

Really? When I do a yum update on my rhel systems to get the latest updates from rhn, they never download the source code. Now that I think about it, I don't think RH has even sent me any kind of medium which is commonly used for interchange.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Its time for a new internet rule. If Oracle or IBM buys your vendor, you should be migrating.

Should probably add Salesforce to that list too. They’re basically the new Oracle.

And CA, where software goes to die.
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