CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

Post by em500 » Tue, Dec 08, 2020, 6:15 PM UTC

mattdm wrote: post #107

nrclark wrote: post #15

What will this mean for Fedora? Doesn’t Fedora already occupy the niche of “Redhat-unstable”?

Fedora doesn't like to be put in that particular niche anyway. Yes, Fedora is fast moving and it is what Red Hat uses as the base for major releases, but we're more than "Redhat-unstable" in so many ways. CentOS Stream will be the upstream for RHEL minor branch development. This is actually a huge thing that I think people are missing: previously, once branched from Fedora, RHEL development did not happen in the publ…

Post by jmnicolas » Tue, Dec 08, 2020, 6:16 PM UTC

kcb wrote: post #111

mrweasel wrote: post #93

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Why exactly is that disappointing? Isn't it more disappointing that some companies expect to be able to run the same OS for 13 years and get security patches backported for free? I don't think this will hurt RedHat at all. How many RHEL customers are actually generated as a result of providing CentOS for free? Not many I suspect. Those who want to learn about RHEL can still get Fedora, or CentOS Stream, or a RedHat d…

I disagree I think RHEL and CentOS go/went hand in hand. With RHEL being used and licensed depending on the project or the environment. Binary compatibility and the uniformity of managing both being the big selling point. Now the closest alternative is Canonical with Ubuntu Server which can be installed wherever with no strings and support purchased as required.

Post by ossusermivami » Tue, Dec 08, 2020, 6:17 PM UTC

vbezhenar wrote: post #204

apecat wrote: post #140

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Wonder if the web hosting industry will rebel and build another RHEL clone project that just gets the 10-year supported patches. Red Hat still has to release the patches, right? A really big chunk of the world's traditionally shared hosted websites run on CentOS, because most commercial control panel packages and hosting automation systems are built for that. A rebadged CentOS is also AWS's default distro. Wonder of…

> Red Hat still has to release the patches, right? I think that's a gray area. For example RHEL has some support branches where they'll produce security updates for minor updates. For example you can pay a lot of money and you'll get RHEL 7.2 with security updates. They won't release sources for those packages unless you'll ask for those packages (you, as a paid client, not you as nobody in the Internet). But if you'…

Post by mmcgrath1 » Tue, Dec 08, 2020, 6:19 PM UTC

jmnicolas wrote: post #200

awill wrote: post #109

This is awful. It's proof of the downsides to the IBM acquisition, which I think we all knew was coming. Imagine if you were running a business, and deployed CentOS 8 based on the 10 year lifespan promise. You're totally screwed now, and Red Hat knows it. Why on earth didn't they make this switch starting with CentOS 9???? Let's not sugar coat this. They've betrayed their users. I personally run a CentOS 7 server (as…

Yes this hurts. My use case is specific: I'm a dev but since we're 2 in the IT service with barely any budget I'm also a (modest) sysadmin and they also call me when the printer or the TV doesn't work. So a few years ago when Debian decided to have faster release cycles I migrated all my VM to CentOS: once the OS is installed I don't want to think about it for the next 10 years. I still didn't finish my Windows 7 to…

Post by disbeliefbee » Tue, Dec 08, 2020, 6:23 PM UTC

ossusermivami wrote: post #220

garyrichardson wrote: post #208

There's lots of negative reaction going on, but this has happened before. CentOS grew out of RedHat Linux going away and Fedora being the feeder for RHEL. At the time there were a bunch of competitors that were building the RHEL source. CentOS ended up "winning". I fully expect this to happen again. CentOS will wither and die because no one actually needs the cutting edge repo -- Ubuntu has a way better process for t…

i don't think in 10 years we will be installing distro on servers as we know it, watch this space!