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i don't think in 10 years we will be installing distro on servers as we know it, watch this space!
^this. I believe Red Hat is anticipating this movement and betting on other things. Playing the long game. It's sad, the community is sad, the employees are sad. But company-wise it makes sense.
```There are different kinds of CentOS users, and we are working with the CentOS Project Governing Board to tailor programs that meet the needs of these different user groups. In the first half of 2021, we plan to introduce low- or no-cost programs for a variety of use cases, including options for open source projects and communities and expansion of the Red Hat Enterprise Linux Developer subscription use cases to better serve the needs of systems administrators. We’ll share more details as these initiatives coalesce.```
Probably should have had their ducks in a row there to announce both things at once, I think.
This is awful. It's proof of the downsides to the IBM acquisition, which I think we all knew was coming. Imagine if you were running a business, and deployed CentOS 8 based on the 10 year lifespan promise. You're totally screwed now, and Red Hat knows it. Why on earth didn't they make this switch starting with CentOS 9???? Let's not sugar coat this. They've betrayed their users. I personally run a CentOS 7 server (as…
>> Imagine if you were running a business, and deployed CentOS 8 based on the 10 year lifespan promise. You're totally screwed now, and Red Hat knows it. The hypothetical you posed is the actual situation, I am now learning, I have apparently forced on my team. We've ramped up labor 3x revenue preparing product launch in 90 - 180 days. We created an image containing centos 8 , Java , postgres and tomcat a year ago an…
I used to work for a hosting firm who had large numbers of customers making use of CentOS for their pre-production environments, running RHEL for their production. This announcement is a kick in the teeth to those customers, as the transition to RHEL 8 for these pre-production environments will feel very much like a shakedown. I feel this is tremendously damaging for Red Hat's reputation and the goodwill developers h…
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And this will be expanding to cover more use cases. See https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/faq-centos-stream-updates#Q10 : _In the first half of 2021, we will be introducing low- or no-cost programs for a variety of use cases, including options for open source projects and communities, partner ecosystems and an expansion of the use cases of the Red Hat Enterprise Linux Developer subscription to better serve the needs of…
And these licenses and subscriptions come and go at the whim of the corporations that own them. Nobody informed would base their open source project/community/ecosystem on something like this, unless they want to be left out in the cold when the plug gets pulled in the future.
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There's a silent but relatively big user base of CentOS in HPC and scientific computing. ScientificLinux and CentOS rules all HPC clusters. Clusters are like enterprise servers. Big, monolithic, rarely upgraded. They're upgraded in one big-fell swoop and left to run. There'll be another clone of RHEL since HPC can't accept CentOS Stream as the alternative. The whole infra is too big to move to Debian too. So with tod…
Oracle already has a clone that performs an in-place conversion of an installed CentOS 7 system. There is a page describing the conversion: https://linux.oracle.com/switch/centos/ They have a shell script to convert a CentOS install to Oracle Linux, so you can buy support if you want. The converter only works with versions 5, 6, and 7. It does not work with CentOS 8. It would be nice if that could get updated.
"Out of the frying pan into the fire"
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Wonder if the web hosting industry will rebel and build another RHEL clone project that just gets the 10-year supported patches. Red Hat still has to release the patches, right? A really big chunk of the world's traditionally shared hosted websites run on CentOS, because most commercial control panel packages and hosting automation systems are built for that. A rebadged CentOS is also AWS's default distro. Wonder of…
> Red Hat still has to release the patches, right? I think that's a gray area. For example RHEL has some support branches where they'll produce security updates for minor updates. For example you can pay a lot of money and you'll get RHEL 7.2 with security updates. They won't release sources for those packages unless you'll ask for those packages (you, as a paid client, not you as nobody in the Internet). But if you'…
If the code in question is licensed under the GPL and Red Hat isn't the owner of the code, then I as a rando on the Internet can ask them for the source and if they don't provide it, the person who does own the code can sue them and revoke their license to distribute said code. And I'd say that the majority of code in RHEL is not owned by Red Hat.
>> CentOS Stream now sits between the Fedora Project’s operating system innovation and RHEL’s production stability So if we compare to Debian, this means: Fedora Debian unstable (Sid) CentOS Stream Debian testing (currently Bullseye) RHEL Debian stable (currently Buster) quote source: https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/centos-stream-building-innova... (linked from the article)
in debian testing is the next major version, while centos stream is testing for the next minor release.
It is fedora that is testing for next major release.
sid would be similar to fedora rawhide..
sid fedora rawhide
testing (bullseye) fedora, altough not every fedora became a rhel
stable (buster) rhel
centos stream would be likely similar to having stable with the proposed repo fully enabled.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the way I read this, CentOS Stream will still serve as a stable clone of RHEL just as it always has. The rolling distro will be tagged at a certain point in time for a RHEL release, and you can still choose to use that state as your production base, and be locked at that tag. Presumably there will be a CentOS Stream 9 tag that you can use for production. The difference will be that CentOS…
Fedora -> RHEL -> CentOS
with the addition of CentOS stream it was becoming
Fedora -> CentOS Stream -> RHEL -> CentOS
now what it is
Fedora -> CentOS Stream -> RHEL
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The free developer license seems pretty useless for larger organizations and OS licenses aren't managed by developers in general anyway. > Yes, but only one no-cost Red Hat Developer Subscription can be added to a user account. While it is possible to have each developer register for their own account, this is not ideal from a management or efficiency standpoint. For example, if a company wanted no-cost Red Hat Devel…
Stay tuned.