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Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by mixedCase »

Hahahaha. That's a lesson learnt from me. Giving the benefit of the doubt to IBM? What a naive fool I was. I'm glad my personal server is running Debian at least, even if I chose it for other reasons.

At risk of angering the beehive, I will pre-emptively remove my benefit of the doubt to Microsoft as well before I become too dependent on VS Code and its proprietary extensions. I had been ignoring that red flag and with these news my gut instinct has turned to a fight or flight response.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by jmnicolas »

mmcgrath1 wrote: post #228
jmnicolas wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes this hurts. My use case is specific: I'm a dev but since we're 2 in the IT service with barely any budget I'm also a (modest) sysadmin and they also call me when the printer or the TV doesn't work. So a few years ago when Debian decided to have faster release cycles I migrated all my VM to CentOS: once the OS is installed I don't want to think about it for the next 10 years. I still didn't finish my Windows 7 to…

Before giving up on us just yet, I'd encourage you to check out our developer program for proper RHEL that's free. And I'd stay tuned for announcements that are coming in the first half of 2021 (as mentioned in our FAQ). You might find we've got a program for you: https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/faq-centos-stream-updates#Q10

You don't get it: I have no budget, if it's not free it doesn't happen. And I'm certainly not going to trust Red Hat now that they pulled support 8 years earlier than promised.

I have nothing against you in particular, but if you know the guys that made this decision tell them the same words that Linus Torvalds said to Nvidia.

I will never touch anything Red hat ever again because I will remember how after a quite sucky 2020, Red Hat made sure my 2021 would not disappoint either.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by bubblethink »

This is quite logical and expected from RH's standpoint. The aberration was them acquiring CentOS in the first place. In the long run, I expect everyone to migrate to Ubuntu or Debain slowly. This has been happening anyway. I don't think people will trust a new CentOS-like project easily should one pop up.

Thanks, for all the fish, CentOS. The city of Tuttle, Oklahoma is grateful.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by thinkmassive »

kklimonda wrote: post #42
thinkmassive wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To me it was literally the most straightforward Linux distro: RHEL without the license & trademarked material I've been leaning on Debian-based distros for my own servers for a while now, but I still use CentOS in the lab. Hopefully RedHat provides an easy way to legally develop on RHEL without messing with a license.

RedHat provides developer subscriptions to their products: https://developers.redhat.com/articles/getting-red-hat-devel...

Thanks for the link! Seems like an oversight that it was left out of the CentOS Stream announcement.

Summarizing the FAQ:

  - the bits are the same, the differences are the terms of use and the self-support level
  - one subscription per user
  - allowed to use on 1 physical system (up to 2 processor sockets, 16 VMs)

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by rbowen »

posix_me_less wrote: post #146
apecat wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wonder if the web hosting industry will rebel and build another RHEL clone project that just gets the 10-year supported patches. Red Hat still has to release the patches, right? A really big chunk of the world's traditionally shared hosted websites run on CentOS, because most commercial control panel packages and hosting automation systems are built for that. A rebadged CentOS is also AWS's default distro. Wonder of…

That would be cool "stick it to the man" trick, but how do we organize?

Not only does this not "stick it to the man", it's directly addressed in the FAQ. If folks want to boot up another rebuild project, there's nothing preventing that. There are also several existing ones that you could go join.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by chasil »

bayindirh wrote: post #235
apecat wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wonder if the web hosting industry will rebel and build another RHEL clone project that just gets the 10-year supported patches. Red Hat still has to release the patches, right? A really big chunk of the world's traditionally shared hosted websites run on CentOS, because most commercial control panel packages and hosting automation systems are built for that. A rebadged CentOS is also AWS's default distro. Wonder of…

There's a silent but relatively big user base of CentOS in HPC and scientific computing. ScientificLinux and CentOS rules all HPC clusters. Clusters are like enterprise servers. Big, monolithic, rarely upgraded. They're upgraded in one big-fell swoop and left to run. There'll be another clone of RHEL since HPC can't accept CentOS Stream as the alternative. The whole infra is too big to move to Debian too. So with tod…

Oracle already has a clone that performs an in-place conversion of an installed CentOS 7 system.

There is a page describing the conversion: https://linux.oracle.com/switch/centos/

They have a shell script to convert a CentOS install to Oracle Linux, so you can buy support if you want.

The converter only works with versions 5, 6, and 7.

It does not work with CentOS 8. It would be nice if that could get updated.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by 2Gkashmiri »

orev wrote: post #173
2Gkashmiri wrote: post #161

What is happening with open source lately. Just this today I am.reading about QT, CENTOS, MAPBOX, travis all ditching open source. Well I don't remember the qt story but yeah. What is the point of offering your software to the community as open source if the only end game is to make people dependent and then pull a fast one on them. Sigh

People need to eat and pay rent. New developers are doing everything on web/cloud and see no reason to invest time in open source on “legacy” on-prem systems, despite the fact that those are what underlie all of those higher level tiers. Since new developers are not stepping in, the older guys who started the projects just want to get away from the relentlessly thankless activity of giving stuff away for free, or may…

my question stands. if you are a corporation, why are you offering an open source in the first place? i am not talking about a library developer who built it for fun but because its MIT, every faang is using it extensively and the original dev is not getting any remuneration while faang is earning big bucks. that is not the issue here.

specifically if travis had the idea to pull a bait and switch always to the community, isnt that bad? why offer "free for open source" in the first place when you know it will cost them money and developers need to earn? no open source community is begging for handouts.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by chasil »

Tom4hawk wrote: post #138
messe wrote: post #10

> CentOS Linux 8, as a rebuild of RHEL 8, will end at the end of 2021 Does this mean that CentOS 8 is EOL come 2021? Weren't maintenance updates meant to go to 2029? What about everybody who built their product on the assumption that there would be a stable CentOS until then?

> What about everybody who built their product on the assumption that there would be a stable CentOS until then? 1. They can start paying RedHat 2. They can hire/delegate someone to maintain patches for them 3. They can migrate to something else ;)

Oracle already has a clone that performs an in-place conversion of an installed CentOS 7 system. There is a page describing the conversion: https://linux.oracle.com/switch/centos/

They have a shell script to convert a CentOS install to Oracle Linux, so you can buy support if you want.

The converter only works with versions 5, 6, and 7.

It does not work with CentOS 8. It would be nice if that could get updated.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by lutorm »

teilo wrote: post #20

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the way I read this, CentOS Stream will still serve as a stable clone of RHEL just as it always has. The rolling distro will be tagged at a certain point in time for a RHEL release, and you can still choose to use that state as your production base, and be locked at that tag. Presumably there will be a CentOS Stream 9 tag that you can use for production. The difference will be that CentOS…

It seems that if you do that, you will not get any updates, including security updates?
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