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So CentOS is no longer relevant for production use. I wonder who stands to benefit. I really don't see it driving more sales to RHEL like the execs probably predict.
RedHat will probably get a one time boost in RHEL sales at the expense that the void created by the CentOS project will be filled by some CentOS-fork they have no control over. Maybe they have some grand scheme I'm not seeing but it feels short sighted.
This is awful. It's proof of the downsides to the IBM acquisition, which I think we all knew was coming. Imagine if you were running a business, and deployed CentOS 8 based on the 10 year lifespan promise. You're totally screwed now, and Red Hat knows it. Why on earth didn't they make this switch starting with CentOS 9???? Let's not sugar coat this. They've betrayed their users. I personally run a CentOS 7 server (as…
>> Imagine if you were running a business, and deployed CentOS 8 Sadly, the danger of running on free software. Even more sadly, this puts a bad taste in peoples mouths, making them hesitant to start new projects on free software.
Having been a Debian/Ubuntu person for a long time, and being somewhat dissatisfied with that ecosystem, I recently started evaluating CentOS for my use cases instead. I want something with a non-rolling update model, so I don't have to deal with my environment changing out from under me. CentOS 8 had been mostly working well for me, barring a few missing packages that were easy to port over myself, and I was really…
I think there might be some confusion about "rolling" in the context of CentOS Stream. The updates are continuous and there's not released minor versions, but all changes are changes that are intended to _very shortly_ land in the next every-six-months minor release of RHEL. So you aren't going to suddenly see more "environment changing out from under me" than you would on RHEL or CentOS Linux.
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Oracle already has a clone that performs an in-place conversion of an installed CentOS 7 system. There is a page describing the conversion: https://linux.oracle.com/switch/centos/ They have a shell script to convert a CentOS install to Oracle Linux, so you can buy support if you want. The converter only works with versions 5, 6, and 7. It does not work with CentOS 8. It would be nice if that could get updated.
I don't think many people who want to use something stable like CentOS, but don't want to pay for a RHEL support contract would want to pay Oracle for RHEL-but-with-Oracle-sprinkles-on-top
"Unlike many other commercial Linux distributions, Oracle Linux is easy to download and completely free to use, distribute, and update. Oracle Linux is available under the GNU General Public License (GPLv2). Support contracts are available from Oracle. "
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If they just want a free (beer) RHEL clone, the best choice might turn out to be ... Oracle Linux. Who would have thought?
> might turn out to be ... Oracle Linux Is CentOS the upstream for Oracle Linux? Instead of which comes CentOS Stream and then the question is what will Oracle do? Would they even try to keep the old CentOS concept alive?
EDIT: This may be inaccurate; see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25348496
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the way I read this, CentOS Stream will still serve as a stable clone of RHEL just as it always has. The rolling distro will be tagged at a certain point in time for a RHEL release, and you can still choose to use that state as your production base, and be locked at that tag. Presumably there will be a CentOS Stream 9 tag that you can use for production. The difference will be that CentOS…
Absolutly not, it's going to be the Fedora version of RHEL. Pretty clear: "If you are using CentOS Linux 8 in a production environment, and are concerned that CentOS Stream will not meet your needs, we encourage you to contact Red Hat about options." Of course no one want to run CentOS Stream because it's going to be broken / unstable, completely the opposite of what CentOS is.
What is happening with open source lately. Just this today I am.reading about QT, CENTOS, MAPBOX, travis all ditching open source. Well I don't remember the qt story but yeah. What is the point of offering your software to the community as open source if the only end game is to make people dependent and then pull a fast one on them. Sigh
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I'm a little confused by this. Well, first, I'd encourage you to try Fedora Workstation for your family -- we've worked on making upgrades painless, so that they're basically an automated thing that happens while you go for coffee once or twice a year (at your option). But second, if a "Fedora LTS" would fit your needs, why not give CentOS Stream a look? It's not actually going to be that different from CentOS Linux,…
> we've worked on making upgrades painless, so that they're basically an automated thing that happens while you go for coffee once or twice a year (at your option) In my experience (just went through that, F32 -> F33), it's painless but definitely not "an automated thing that happens while you go for coffee"; each machine took a whole day, it's a huge download (many gigabytes) and the install itself seems to be sever…
That should address most of the issues you mention. :)
CentOS Stream is RHEL Testing (like Debian Testing). As stated in https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/centos-stream-building-innova... "CentOS Stream now sits between the Fedora Project’s operating system innovation and RHEL’s production stability" So if we compare to Debian, this means: Fedora Debian unstable (Sid) CentOS Stream Debian testing (currently Bullseye) RHEL Debian stable (currently Buster)
FreeBSD 13-Current - Fedora Rawhide/Fedora
FreeBSD 12-Stable - CentOS Stream
FreeBSD 12.2-Release - RHEL
CentOS Stream will be the testing for the next minor release of RHEL, i think the closest in debian would be stable with the proposed repo fully enabled.
Between Debian and RH i see the following equivalency.
unstable (sid) - Fedora Rawhide
testing (bullseye) - Fedora, although not 100% equivalent as not all fedora releases became an RHEL, but fedora does act as testing for RHEL.
stable (buster) - RHEL
CentOS Stream is between testing and stable.