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Re: Librem 5 Evergreen vs. Pinephone

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Post by linmob »

cookiengineer wrote: post #65
linmob wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firefox is bearable with firefox-mobile-config, and Chromium can be usable now (not on all distributions yet): https://fosstodon.org/@linmob/105334115920899338 (Also, Plasma Mobile‘s Angelfish Browser is quite good, it works on Phosh too). BTW: May I add your Browser to https://linmobapps.frama.io ?

Oh, didn't know about the firefox-mobile-config. Does this also change the UI layout for the buttons, similar to Android's UI for fennex/fenix? > BTW: May I add your Browser to https://linmobapps.frama.it ? Sure, of course, but as I said it's still very prototypical and needs a lot of work :) PS: Really nice blog you got there! How's your experience with Lorimi so far?

You probably know firefox-mobile-config, it's what makes Firefox somewhat usable on Mobian, Arch Linux ARM, Manjaro and postmarketOS. It scales the UI, but it does not really change it to that degree.

Thanks! I have been busy with my day job lately, so I have just been trying to use my PinePhone with Phosh mostly. Lomiri is nice, but Manjaro Lomiri is not yet at the point where it does not break on upgrades, which makes it nice to play with but impossible to use.

Re: Librem 5 Evergreen vs. Pinephone

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Post by Abishek_Muthian »

pjmlp wrote: post #89
Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #81

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There is no doubt on the issue of chicken-and-egg problem with the app ecosystem, but wouldn't it be the only problem or even say the major problem to address if the manufacturers get on to supporting mainline Linux for smartphones instead of developing a completely new operating system from the scratch.

That leads to the same problem that killed Netbooks, besides the XP price dumping, and also plagues the PC and Android eco-systems, differentiation. Mainline GNU/Linux isn't something that makes average consumer pick vendor A or B when looking for a new device at the shopping mall. And the hardware alone also doesn't sell, it must be the whole vertical experience on how software + hardware work together to bring that…

I think the differentiation issue would persist no matter what OS a smartphone manufacturer come up with at this point if it is open-source, which it should be in order to get more manufacturers on board for getting apps developed for it and thereby risking fragmentation.

Re: Librem 5 Evergreen vs. Pinephone

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Post by linmob »

MartijnBraam wrote: post #86
Mediterraneo10 wrote: post #66

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Camera framerate may have been fixed, but just opening the camera app on Mobian takes a few seconds. People are used nowadays to their camera app opening near-instantly, so they can capture fleeting moments.

I've pushed a Megapixels update that makes the app launch a bunch faster and the camera preview is a lot smoother too

It's really great, thank you for your hard work Martijn!

Re: Librem 5 Evergreen vs. Pinephone

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Post by wuuza »

cookiengineer wrote: post #33

I own a Pinephone with the latest revision board which was bought in the July 31st batch this year (and got shipped in September/November within the EU). I have to say that hardware-wise, the Pinephone got very _very_ far already. It's an amazing hacker's device, especially with the USB-C host. The only issue that persists is software. Phosh is pretty much useless because not a single app will work as a real mobile a…

Have you looked at plasma-mobile at all? It seems like they've had convergence in mind longer... I wonder if the environment is any better? I predict a lot of Electron apps and PWAs for these devices.

Re: Librem 5 Evergreen vs. Pinephone

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Post by busrf »

s_gourichon wrote: post #96

I *did not* / will *not* test: Phone calls & SMS / MMS functionality I haven’t bothered plugging them into a display. Email (...) I’ve been too lazy to try setting this up Cameras GPS / location Anyone who expected an article like "I actually tested those phones in real life and will tell if they are actually suitable as phones", don't expect. (Article is not empty, does mentions how these machines behave on the GUI…

I was honestly really surprised that this was the “will not test” list rather than the “must test” list!

Re: Librem 5 Evergreen vs. Pinephone

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

modo_mario wrote: post #70
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #5

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The problem in the US is that everything is aligned against making stuff here. The unions have been in damage control mode for decades, trying to avoid losing the factories that employ two hundred to the more automated factories that employ twenty, but then as a result losing 100% rather than 90% of the jobs to China. We impose labor and environmental rules on products made in the US but don't require the same standa…

> The unions have been in damage control mode for decades, trying to avoid losing the factories that employ two hundred to the more automated factories that employ twenty, but then as a result losing 100% rather than 90% of the jobs to China. Eh aren't they basically non existent? Like 6.2% unionised in private industry and that tends to be more in other industries. I find it hard to blame them for this later migrati…

> Eh aren't they basically non existent? Like 6.2% unionised in private industry and that tends to be more in other industries.

That wasn't the case when this started. The decline of unions in the US and the movement of US manufacturing to China has pretty well gone hand in hand.

> Hell if you'd take their lobbying on foreign policy they'd probably be fairly protectionist.

Protectionism apropos of nothing is a non-starter, because there's no argument for it. You can say we need tariffs on China to account for currency manipulation and prevent a single undemocratic nation from monopolizing important world markets, but you can't win an argument that says food workers should pay more for transportation just to benefit auto workers who already make more money than they do.

But they do often win arguments about not automating away jobs, because there is less money to be made automating them than there is in getting paid to do them when they're not automated, since the automation would apply to everyone in the industry and just lower prices. So we've been fighting automation for the sake of jobs even though it's the main thing that can make higher priced US labor competitive with lower priced foreign labor, and then we lose the jobs anyway.

Re: Librem 5 Evergreen vs. Pinephone

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Post by Causality1 »

ben-schaaf wrote: post #31
Causality1 wrote: post #13

I'm all for more variety of hardware and more control over software. That said, what makes these a better option, for anyone, than buying an android phone with an unlockable bootloader and loading a Google-less version of Android on it?

Mainline Linux support means the device is going to be supported for a very long time. For Android phones you're always relying on the manufacturer - even with the likes of the FairPhone you're still beholden to qualcomm's willingness to provide updates. You also get the same software running as you do on desktop Linux - just hook up a display and you've got a regular Linux desktop. You can print from the device itse…

The desktop environment is nice, but android can do all the rest of it. I've never had problems with printing from my phone and webcams and gamepads work just fine over USB.

Re: Librem 5 Evergreen vs. Pinephone

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Post by dleslie »

ben-schaaf wrote: post #57
dleslie wrote: post #45

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The PinePhone is _so close_. Some suggestions, as a user, to get it over the edge: 1. Every app in the Manjaro distribution that ships pre-installed should at least fit on the screen; many apps have popups that do not. 2. Dialing should never cause a reboot; calling voicemail has crashed the phone for me. 3. Either give up on having a camera or make it _fast_. 4. Some kind of loading indicator for apps would be nice.…

> Every app in the Manjaro distribution that ships pre-installed should at least fit on the screen; many apps have popups that do not. Sounds like an issue you should bring up with the application authors. These are usually easy fixes. > Either give up on having a camera or make it _fast_. We've already seen demos of the camera running at 60fps. Why would you want people to "give up" on a perfectly achievable goal?

> Sounds like an issue you should bring up with the application authors. These are usually easy fixes.

The application authors are mostly unaware. The Manjaro ARM team is using libhandy to port desktop applications on a case-by-case.

They are also in charge of what applications are preinstalled; IMHO, they shouldn't be preinstalling any applications which do not _at least_ fit on the display in every popup and window they open.

> We've already seen demos of the camera running at 60fps.

It displays at 60fps, but I still can't seem to get it to take non-blurry photos of my kids.

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