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CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

#171

Among existing alternatives such as Ubuntu LTS, Debian, openSUSE, etc. which is the least likely to meet the CentOS fate (I mean acquired by a large corporation)?

Debian, by a large margin. Ubuntu is already "owned" by Canonical and openSUSE is just a free counterpart to SUSE Linux Enterprise by SUSE software solutions GmbH in very much the same way CentOS was to RHEL in the recent years.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

#172

What is happening with open source lately. Just this today I am.reading about QT, CENTOS, MAPBOX, travis all ditching open source. Well I don't remember the qt story but yeah. What is the point of offering your software to the community as open source if the only end game is to make people dependent and then pull a fast one on them. Sigh

Open Source is not the same as Free and Open Source (FOSS). If you want true software freedom, stick with communities or orgs based on the FOSS ideology. Big corporations cannot be FOSS, it's a conflict of interest for them.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

#173

What is happening with open source lately. Just this today I am.reading about QT, CENTOS, MAPBOX, travis all ditching open source. Well I don't remember the qt story but yeah. What is the point of offering your software to the community as open source if the only end game is to make people dependent and then pull a fast one on them. Sigh

People need to eat and pay rent. New developers are doing everything on web/cloud and see no reason to invest time in open source on “legacy” on-prem systems, despite the fact that those are what underlie all of those higher level tiers. Since new developers are not stepping in, the older guys who started the projects just want to get away from the relentlessly thankless activity of giving stuff away for free, or maybe retire.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Why exactly is that disappointing? Isn't it more disappointing that some companies expect to be able to run the same OS for 13 years and get security patches backported for free? I don't think this will hurt RedHat at all. How many RHEL customers are actually generated as a result of providing CentOS for free? Not many I suspect. Those who want to learn about RHEL can still get Fedora, or CentOS Stream, or a RedHat d…

Because CentOS was once an independent project and Redhat promissed to keep Centos 8 alive till 2029. Security patches are not backports, they are security patches that obviously should be for free, Redhat is making loads of money off free software already.

Something like RHEL 6 is running on a 2.6 Linux kernel, all security patches has to be backported. That is an EOL kernel. Almost all versions of the software bundled with RHEL 6 have been EOL from upstream providers during it's ten year lifetime. Of cause you're free to try to attempt to applied any patches yourself, you don't have to pay.

If RedHat promised to keep CentOS 8 around for 9 more years, then yes, that is very disappointing. It was a stupid promise to make in the first place, but still disappointing.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

#175
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So CentOS is no longer relevant for production use. I wonder who stands to benefit. I really don't see it driving more sales to RHEL like the execs probably predict.

> If you are using CentOS Linux 8 in a production environment, and are concerned that CentOS Stream will not meet your needs, we encourage you to contact Red Hat about options. ...sounds like what they expect > it removes confusion around what “CentOS” means in the Linux distribution ecosystem This justification for the change seems like a solution to a problem that doesn't yet exist but probably will soon!

Well said. The "confusion" was probably only in Redhat, when developers were confronted with explaining to executives why they provide RHEL for free.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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They did say this: "In the first half of 2021, we will be introducing low- or no-cost programs for a variety of use cases, including options for open source projects and communities, partner ecosystems and an expansion of the use cases of the Red Hat Enterprise Linux Developer subscription to better serve the needs of systems administrators and partner developers. We’ll share more details on these initiatives as they…

I'll love to use proper RHEL everywhere on my personal non-commercial projects. I'm using it on my NAS, but I'd love to use it on VPS as well.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Oh, wow. My whole extended family has CentOS on their machines for years because of LTS. Not sure what I'm going to replace it with now and how. Perhaps there's going to be Fedora LTS at some point soon. I sure hope Fedora is not the next casualty. IBM strikes again.

I'm a little confused by this. Well, first, I'd encourage you to try Fedora Workstation for your family -- we've worked on making upgrades painless, so that they're basically an automated thing that happens while you go for coffee once or twice a year (at your option). But second, if a "Fedora LTS" would fit your needs, why not give CentOS Stream a look? It's not actually going to be that different from CentOS Linux,…

Redhat just reneged on its commitments regarding CentOS 8. When has this happened before?

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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To me this news is at once shocking, and blindingly obvious in hindsight. Shocking, because I'd never imagined they'd kill off CentOS 8 so early. CentOS 8.0 dates from Sept 2019, so it's killed in just the 3rd year of its presumed 10 year lifespan. I could read the tea leaves when they announced this Stream thingy recently, but I'd thought they would at least hold off till RHEL9 to pull the lever. Blindingly obvious,…

Its time for a new internet rule. If Oracle or IBM buys your vendor, you should be migrating.

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Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

#179
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post #69

To me this news is at once shocking, and blindingly obvious in hindsight. Shocking, because I'd never imagined they'd kill off CentOS 8 so early. CentOS 8.0 dates from Sept 2019, so it's killed in just the 3rd year of its presumed 10 year lifespan. I could read the tea leaves when they announced this Stream thingy recently, but I'd thought they would at least hold off till RHEL9 to pull the lever. Blindingly obvious,…

Its time for a new internet rule. If Oracle or IBM buys your vendor, you should be migrating.

Sad, but accurate.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

#180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have been using openSUSE. It's been pretty stable on the laptop. On laptop, I use the Tumbleweed (rolling release) and 15.1 or 15.2 on servers. Give it a try.

What's the package management like? Does it support flatpaks? And what about LTS?

Packages are RPMS, managed with zypper. You may also use dnf but you will miss some of the advanced features provided by dnf (e. g. the concept of patches vs updates), there was a zypper vs dnf thread recently in the openSUSE mailing lists.

It does support flatpaks.

There is no free openSUSE LTS. The LTS is called SUSE Linux Enterprise Server, costs some money (unless you are a developer, in that case you get free subscriptions) and the LTS lasts for a minimum of 13 years.

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