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CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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> CentOS Linux 8, as a rebuild of RHEL 8, will end at the end of 2021 Does this mean that CentOS 8 is EOL come 2021? Weren't maintenance updates meant to go to 2029? What about everybody who built their product on the assumption that there would be a stable CentOS until then?

Yes. https://wiki.centos.org/About/Product It used to be this. https://web.archive.org/web/20201101131417/https://wiki.cent...

Wow. Violently disingenuous.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. I never thought there was any confusion about what CentOS meant. This feels like B.S.

To me it was literally the most straightforward Linux distro: RHEL without the license & trademarked material I've been leaning on Debian-based distros for my own servers for a while now, but I still use CentOS in the lab. Hopefully RedHat provides an easy way to legally develop on RHEL without messing with a license.

RedHat provides developer subscriptions to their products: https://developers.redhat.com/articles/getting-red-hat-devel...

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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post #37

TL;DR: CentOS Linux 8.x will end in 2021, CentOS Stream 8 will be RHEL 8.x plus whatever updates are in the pipeline for it. CentOS 7.x will remain as today until RHEL 7.x reaches EOL. I'm very pessimistic on what this means for the RHEL ecosystem as a whole... If I understand correctly, CentOS Stream 8 should be relatively stable just after a RHEL 8.x release, because the pipeline will contain just minor updates. Bu…

Yea. I think this is an extremely short-sighted move. Many RHEL customers utilize CentOS. I know CentOS is a community but it is led by Red Hat developers. Suddenly pulling 8 years of support from their community project is not going to be looked at favorably by any IT team.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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post #26

So, I suppose CentOS is dead. As others have stated, another group will have to step up and create another CentOS, or just switch to Debian Testing.

Official CentOS/RHEL is more like Debian Stable. The new CentOS "Stream" sounds like it will be more like Debian Testing.

Exactly.

As stated in https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/centos-stream-building-innova... (linked from the article):

"CentOS Stream now sits between the Fedora Project’s operating system innovation and RHEL’s production stability"

So if we compare to Debian, this means:

Fedora Debian unstable (Sid)

CentOS Stream Debian testing (currently Bullseye)

RHEL Debian stable (currently Buster)

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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post #39

I m torn about this move. My gut reaction was that this was a bean-counter move. Thinking more about it the key issues I see with this move are: - CENTOS fills a need, that many users have and superficially it looks like Red Hat (IBM) is now abandoning addressing it. On the other hand Red Hat does offer RHEL for free (gratis) [0] and that should fill the needs of CENTOS users (right?). However it would have been much…

> On the other hand Red Hat does offer RHEL for free (gratis) [0] and that should fill the needs of CENTOS users (right?)

They offer a no-cost "developer subscription" of RHEL, but I'd wager the majority of users are running CentOS on servers.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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post #39

I m torn about this move. My gut reaction was that this was a bean-counter move. Thinking more about it the key issues I see with this move are: - CENTOS fills a need, that many users have and superficially it looks like Red Hat (IBM) is now abandoning addressing it. On the other hand Red Hat does offer RHEL for free (gratis) [0] and that should fill the needs of CENTOS users (right?). However it would have been much…

Is there a free non-developer, i.e. home version of RHEL without any subscription/registration?

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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post #37

TL;DR: CentOS Linux 8.x will end in 2021, CentOS Stream 8 will be RHEL 8.x plus whatever updates are in the pipeline for it. CentOS 7.x will remain as today until RHEL 7.x reaches EOL. I'm very pessimistic on what this means for the RHEL ecosystem as a whole... If I understand correctly, CentOS Stream 8 should be relatively stable just after a RHEL 8.x release, because the pipeline will contain just minor updates. Bu…

I share your pessimism about RHEL. I think Canonical could be a big beneficiary, if they can stop shooting themselves in the foot with stuff like upsells for live kernel patches, and snaps for non-desktop apps.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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post #26

So, I suppose CentOS is dead. As others have stated, another group will have to step up and create another CentOS, or just switch to Debian Testing.

Official CentOS/RHEL is more like Debian Stable. The new CentOS "Stream" sounds like it will be more like Debian Testing.

Debian Stable might be more analogous to CentOS, but they don't do major feature backports like RHEL does, so I find stable is often much too old by the time it's actually released.
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