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Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by m3adow » Tue, Dec 08, 2020, 3:55 PM UTC

em500 wrote: post #4

jsiepkes wrote: post #2

Having a more "front runner" distro for RHEL (RedHat Enterprise) is great for RedHat. Since bugs will probably be caught in CentOS and don't end up in RHEL. This front runner role was actually intended for Fedora however Fedora contains way too much experimental changes for anyone to seriously try to run it on servers. I don't want to sound too "tin-foil headed" but I guess now that RedHat has hired the main CentOS d…

If they just want a free (beer) RHEL clone, the best choice might turn out to be ... Oracle Linux. Who would have thought?

Isn't Amazon Linux basically the same? Or is that a fork of CentOS in the first place?

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by balozi » Tue, Dec 08, 2020, 3:55 PM UTC

> If you are using CentOS Linux 8 in a production environment, and are concerned that CentOS Stream will not meet your needs, we encourage you to contact Red Hat about options. I'm guessing the MBAs at IBM believe that they can covert a chunk of CentOS enterprise users into paying IBM customers. Ooof! CentOS had a good run.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by em500 » Tue, Dec 08, 2020, 3:58 PM UTC

m3adow wrote: post #61

em500 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they just want a free (beer) RHEL clone, the best choice might turn out to be ... Oracle Linux. Who would have thought?

Isn't Amazon Linux basically the same? Or is that a fork of CentOS in the first place?

Can I download and run Amazon Linux at home (non-vm)?

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by AdmiralAsshat » Tue, Dec 08, 2020, 3:58 PM UTC

happyjack wrote: post #51

Wow. I kind of new this day was coming. I work in engineering / science (not comp. sci or developing) and all our software vendors are Windows or RHEL support only. Although if you know your way around linux any flavor will do, but RHEL is the "standard" for support. It's kind of like "insurance." We expect this to compile / work for RHEL and NOTHING else, because RHEL is stable, predictable, and boring. I've run mos…

> I could see this coming. CentOS didn't really show a value proposition for RH picking up the tab and supporting it. CentOS was recompiling RHEL and shipping it off; RH needs to keep their PR and image inline and HAD to help, since the whole point of CentOS was "this is RHEL without RH graphics and copyrighted material."

Bear in mind that CentOS was originally an independent project until Red Hat acquired it.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by stryan » Tue, Dec 08, 2020, 3:59 PM UTC

charlesdaniels wrote: post #28

Having been a Debian/Ubuntu person for a long time, and being somewhat dissatisfied with that ecosystem, I recently started evaluating CentOS for my use cases instead. I want something with a non-rolling update model, so I don't have to deal with my environment changing out from under me. CentOS 8 had been mostly working well for me, barring a few missing packages that were easy to port over myself, and I was really…

Checkout openSUSE; I've been running it for the past year or so for my personal projects (and their rolling-release version for longer) and I've been pretty happy with it. It's not quite the same position as CentOS but still very stable and nice to work with.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by AdmiralAsshat » Tue, Dec 08, 2020, 4:02 PM UTC

FeistySkink wrote: post #45

Oh, wow. My whole extended family has CentOS on their machines for years because of LTS. Not sure what I'm going to replace it with now and how. Perhaps there's going to be Fedora LTS at some point soon. I sure hope Fedora is not the next casualty. IBM strikes again.

Your whole family runs CentOS as their desktop operating system?

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by cozzyd » Tue, Dec 08, 2020, 4:03 PM UTC

Thanks IBM. Now I'll have to revisit what OS to deploy at various remote experiments. I suppose this might be the kick needed to revive SL though.

They also conveniently waited until right after EL6 EOL...

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by brnt » Tue, Dec 08, 2020, 4:04 PM UTC

How viable is CentOS Stream on the desktop? Fedora moves a bit too fast sometimes, but CentOS too slow.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by em500 » Tue, Dec 08, 2020, 4:07 PM UTC

To me this news is at once shocking, and blindingly obvious in hindsight.

Shocking, because I'd never imagined they'd kill off CentOS 8 so early. CentOS 8.0 dates from Sept 2019, so it's killed in just the 3rd year of its presumed 10 year lifespan. I could read the tea leaves when they announced this Stream thingy recently, but I'd thought they would at least hold off till RHEL9 to pull the lever.

Blindingly obvious, of course, because Red Hat bought CentOS, presumably with real $$$, and IBM bought Red Hat for $34bln.

What's going to happen next? Microsoft buying Canonical and all businesses running either IBM Linux or Microsoft Linux? Crazier things have happened...

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by lmns » Tue, Dec 08, 2020, 4:07 PM UTC

curt15 wrote: post #14

syshum wrote: post #9

I am not sure how CentOS Stream makes any sense. CentOS stands for Community Enterprise Operating System, how on earth can CentOS Stream be called an Enterprise operating System?

Would it make sense to regard CentOS Stream as essentially CentOS/RHEL Beta?

It's basically the beta of the next RHEL minor release, not a beta of a next major release.